I think I am one called out for part of this - & perhaps I deserve it?
At least for the issue of choosing a name such as Vincent4ever .... my exact phrasing escapes me, fuzzy memory syndrom, but I was wondering if this poster was young - pre-or early teens; as that is type of thing I would have done at that age. If you want to divulge, I am still curious as to your age & if you are a young fan or not, but there is no need to tell me.
I CRAVE, literally CRAVE, to know honestly what people think and WHY. I don't understand many things as they are so opposit to what I would do and reason. I am so far on the fringe & I frankly don't understand & I do WANT to understand. So just because I question why you do or say or think something doesn't mean I am arguing (I'll do that very openly) BUT it DOES mean just what I said - why? Please tell me why?
That doesn't mean I will agree with anyone's stance, just that I really want to have open and honest communcation. I judge only for myself - such as, is this good for me, should I accept this or that and for the most part am glad we have people that stand up for different things.
That is why I started a political thread! I had sooooo much fun with that one & so did many posters & NO ONE got flamed for a dissenting opinion. I want to thank again everyone that posted on that.
You and I are both from Mass. I didn't notice that before........Neighbors...
No. I am not a pre teen girl.......haven't been for a long long time.....too long to want to count the years. lol.
It took me time to think up that signature...And have used it all this time till just recently....It is a lot less provocative then most signatures used on the boards, believe me....
I did not use it on this board for obvious reasons, but I decided not to have one at all a few weeks ago...and just go with my old pal, the red devil . Him and I have been friends for a long time now...and I could never give him up......lol
Have no fear...everything is cool girl......check your PM.
I just read the Grow thread. My fun got interrupted by all the kissing of the shoes.
Shadow: people also (and still do) castigate me for calling Him Vincent. I don't consider it a criticism of me. I hear them but still do it. Because that is how I see him. I'm sure it irritates but what is the saying: "God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, Courage to change the things that I can, and the wisdom to know the difference." This is having an opinion.
This part is to everyone out there: Everytime somone uses a phrase like "don't flame me for this but..." or " I hope you won't hate me but..." I feel personally insulted, as though you are saying I don't have the
1) self control to continue treating people on the board the way I wish to be treated 2) the intellectual capacity to differentiate between fact and opinion 3) tolerance for others (irregardless of creed, colour, sexual orientation, political, religious bias) which is something I feel extremely strongly about (in fact have demonstrated against publically on several occasions)
Look we've all been around message boards. They can be fraught with domineering nitwits. Think of this place as an oasis of thought.
I still haven't worked out a modify button so forgive the sequential post (but it's doing wonder for my avatar standing, he he he)
Point number three should read: 3) tolerance for others (irregardless of creed, colour, sexual orientation, political, religious bias and degrees of coolness Vincent and Kathryn embody.) This is something I feel extremely strongly about (in fact have demonstrated against publically on several occasions, the political stuff not the cool factor - although I would if it were challenged.)
Post by janetcatbird on Oct 5, 2005 18:48:40 GMT -5
I dunno. The old Universal/USA board (whatever you call it) was my first time doing any sort of online chat message board, continued over here. This is the only place I participate in, and I only lurk at one or two other places. So I can't compare this to any other experience.
Some people are timid, not sure how to ease into conversations and social networks already in existance. That's certainly how I felt starting out.
Or maybe they're afraid that dissent/disagreement will be interpreted as trolling, which is why people tack on the "cowering" phrases to brace for a flurry of negative feedback. I may have joked about running for a fall-out shelter at times, but I was joking. I recognize teasing friendships and certainly didn't expect real hostility from the people I know here.
I dunno--I never felt this board was such a place that we intimidate newcomers. I'm certainly not trying to be ugly or rude--and if it comes across that way please let me know--but if people feel like a place is hostile and are afraid to speak up there, why join? The whole point of these forums (plural?) is exchange of ideas and discussion. Not everyone at the water cooler/coffee break are in exact agreement over a show, why should this be any different?
Post by Major Hathaway on Oct 6, 2005 11:22:16 GMT -5
interesting that some of the members also feel odd about these phrases
i do feel it reflects the atmosphere here & i have always tried to keep it right in the guidelines, those who are gently reminded, usually agree and all flows on so when so many seem so timid - i do kinda take it personally
i also hope that anyone who has a problem on any thread or even a problem with private messages - will let me know and let me attempt to right the situation
Post by domenicaflor on Oct 10, 2005 2:50:57 GMT -5
To be honest, I don't know what prompted the start of this thread. I have been behind in the discussion so far due to school. However, in general terms, I think I can respond to the question.
I like this board because members are free to have an intelligent discussion about LOCI and the complex issues raised by the show. While there have been clunkers, the episodes are generally good to excellent and are frequently provocative. The writers are frequently also playwrights - thinking people who write for a thinking audience. (cf. the Stephanie Sengupta interview thread). To that end, it is refreshing to have a forum where intelligent discussion is fostered and emphasized.
I am quite tired of having to deal with boards where every post has to be qualified with the dreaded acronyms J-M-H-O or J-M-O or linguistically deflected so as to "be nice". Intelligent discussion, when conducted respectfully, can stand on its own without such deflections. Unless a person is quoting another, the fact that it's his or her opinion is inherent.
I appreciate that on this board, members follow the Mad Hatter's axiom of "Say what you mean, and mean what you say." When they don't understand something, they ask clarifying questions. I would rather that people take the time to ask questions or request clarifications than to make assumptions about my statements or my opinions and beliefs inferred.
Unlike some other boards I know, the members here ask clarifying questions with the intent to LEARN and SHARE not to discredit anyone. And posters here frequently disagree with each other. Most of the regulars understand that if a person disagrees with your opinions or statements, that does not imply a deficit to the intelligence of either party nor a personal attack. My mind has been broadened by my participation here, and I am pleased to be a member.
And finally, I greatly appreciate that in general, the posters on this board respect the FAQ and do not hide, or "duck and cover" behind an excess of emoticons. As Sirenna just said, "if you have an opinion, speak out" but do so with WORDS so that all may understand clearly.
The mods have done an excellent job in keeping a careful but unobtrusive eye on the board in order to promote discussions and keeping them respectful without hindering or censoring anyone. They deserve kudos for their good sense.
That is my most arrogant and self-aggrandizing opinion. ;-) I will duck no tomatoes. Instead, I shall catch any hurled my way and then make pasta sauce, LOL.
ah, pasta sauce! Now that is an attitude I need to get more of - see I'd catch that tomatoe and throw it back, which now that I have seen another option - seems really silly, eh? I should have been hording my tomatoes for Sunday dinner. Ah well, live and learn.
And still no response from some members I was hoping would speak up - you know you can always Private Message me - don't any of you new people want to put mind at ease? Enlighten me? Help a poster out?
To add my own two cents to the topic: I am another Uni board alum who, truth be told, does not miss the closing of that board one iota. Most of the time, and especially in its last gasp moments, I visited there less and less because the overall quality of the discussion was becoming more and more irritating and far less enlightening than I hoped it would be. So thanks to the moderators and founders of this board for providing a haven for intelligent and informative discussion about CI and other topics.
That said, while I understand the tendency of some posters to qualify their comments with what I consider "force fields" against personal attacks, what I don't understand is their continued use of such defenses after being here for a while. I agree with those who consider such qualifiers as somehow reflecting on the treatment by other board members. My own experience here, right from the outset after joining, is that while posters may disagree and debate, there has always been respect and consideration toward one another that I find refreshing and rare based on my other Internet experiences. And whenever there have been misunderstandings, they have been resolved.
I can't post here on this CI *family friendly* board the trolling and boorishness that is rampant on the sports sites I belong to. The only reason I continue to visit and post on those boards is because there are a handful of posters I stay in touch with via emails and PMs for authentic intelligent discourse about the teams and sports that interest me.
So this is my personal request to those members who have tried to hide and duck for cover on occasion--please come out and show yourselves, and post freely without the passive qualifiers. This board is a place where members can feel free to express themselves without fear of censure or flaming. Fun is the object, so go for it! And happy posting!
Patrick Roy, 2006 inductee into the Hockey Hall of Fame