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Post by afan on Sept 19, 2006 22:08:44 GMT -5
I am new so excuse my simple view of this eppy.... I think this was a great season starter and if this is a hint of what the season will be like, I am thrilled. I dont know about this new captian, I'll have to wait to see. I liked the intensity, the passion that Goren expressed through out this eppy and Eames strong nature. I thought it was a good choice to have them end with the hospital, as in real life people who work together become like family, they are there to show support in times of need and I think they both needed each other after that ordeal.
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Post by Summerfield on Sept 19, 2006 22:17:09 GMT -5
Terrific title for a terrific episode! I was initially concerned with gOren. He seemed so subdued, but threaten his world and those in it, BAM watch out! I liked all the exterior shots and how the music added to the drama. Sort of reminded me of "One." Yes we all knew who the killer was (don't we always)? The way she "confessed" was brilliant for the way she didn't. Loved the age referrence. White whale? gORen's father's name must have been Herman. Things we now know: Eames finally moved from her one bedroom apartment. She owned a bird. She drives a 1999 white Honda. She still needs a haircut! And gOren looked hot in that unbuttoned shirt. Love the curls. Correction: gOren always looks hot!
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Post by LOCIfan on Sept 19, 2006 22:20:49 GMT -5
hello. first post. i loved this as the season opener, but don't think i can take such dark episodes every single week. didn't really like bogosian as the new captain, either. though i have liked him in other things. i just don't buy him as a cop or as boss to goren and eames. Welcome, cindylouwho. Like your handle, BTW. I agree it was an exceptionally dark episode, but suspect it was done for impact as the first episode of the season. Kind of like Semi-Detached in Season 4 and Grow last season. Cannot disclose, but verifiable. Verifiable where? Forgive me for remaining skeptical.
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Post by sarahlee on Sept 19, 2006 22:22:13 GMT -5
The premiere was great! Worth the wait, and excelled the hype (such as it was). I too figured out the culprit early on, but that is often the case in the CI stories. The scenes, lighting and music were engrossing and intensified the story, I really liked the change.
cassie--I noticed Goren's poor sartorial choices and figured it was the stress of the case. Eames has become necessary to his world now, he doesn't function well without her.
The closing shot was just right. It was a beautiful picture. Will somebody (jefferaldo?) capture it for us? *she smiles sweetly*
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Post by trisha on Sept 19, 2006 22:27:06 GMT -5
Add me to the list of people who loved that Eames rescued herself. And that little MacGuyver moment: simply awesome.
I thought that Martha Pimpton overacted the first scene with Goren and Declan. She looked like she was about to pee herself trying to get her fathers attention, and add that with her leading Goren with her knowledge of what torture looks like, it made it a little obvious that she was the killer. But, you know, it's always the character who looks secondary that ends up being the killer. I'd love for there to be a third or fourth viable option to keep us guessing right to the end. That creepy security guard could have made a good one if they cast him old enough to be the original Sebastian and had him come back later in the investigation for whatever reason.
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Post by Techguy on Sept 19, 2006 22:29:10 GMT -5
I'll have to view this one again, but first impressions are: two very big thumbs up! Never mind that in the version I saw, the opening sequence was toned down--the jagged serrated murder weapon was not shown being drawn up to the first victim's face, and the visual of the bloodied body was not shown in closeup.
I also didn't mind that I had the killer pegged even before the episode aired. I was content to just sit back and waited to see how Det. Goren would put the pieces together. And Vincent D'Onofrio's acting throughout was stellar, one of his best CI performances ever.
Yes, Declan Cage is the kind of father Goren has come to despise. And Gage's daughter Jo--who, like Goren, grew up in a "laboratory family" as Gage described it and had to deal with an absent mother from age 7--turns out to be the kind of person Goren could have become, if not for his choices. I am thrilled that one of my favorite CI themes has been dealt with so effectively right at the outset of the new season.
I am also very relieved that my concerns about possible soap elements in the Eames kidnapping turned out to be unfounded. The kidnapping definitely had its place in the story and was necessary to understand the psychology behind the other murders. Kathryn Erbe is terrific, so I have high hopes for her character from this point on.
I am even more intrigued about how Captain Ross is going to evolve over the course of the season, and how this development will impact the other MCS detectives. This is a crucial factor, since I understand Theresa Randle as the ADA will only be seen sporadically and wasn't even listed in the opening credits or photos. Eric Bogosian's on-screen presence is formidable, which should have very positive effect on the stories--and the acting of the other series regulars--for the remainder of Season 6.
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Post by Cassie on Sept 19, 2006 22:32:28 GMT -5
I liked all the exterior shots and how the music added to the drama. Sort of reminded me of "One." interesting!! Do you remember in "One" when Goren was sitting watching the tape of Gia in the jewerly store. and he said "I like to watch" he had that same look on his face tonight!! I kept having flashbacks to that episode, I felt like that tonight was first time I had seen Goren in ages, that I would say "your the same good lookin guy, just a little silver in your hair" He looked great.... and yeah....Eames needs to get her haircut. When she came back from maturnity leave, she had a nice doo, her hair had bounce to it, but she is a pretty lady
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Post by blucougar57 on Sept 19, 2006 22:35:56 GMT -5
PS: Blucougar, what do you mean? We normally don't bother with spoiler warnings after the episode airs, or are you asking for a plot summary? A plot summary is what I meant. Sorry - that was just me being impatient. The frenzy started right before I was due to go on lunch break, and, well.... I knew there'd be heaps of discussion. I was just eager to get the lowdown. :)
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Post by chantelaw on Sept 19, 2006 22:42:26 GMT -5
just wondering if theres any chance of getting some screen caps soon, us aussies have to wait till next year for this episode
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Post by darmok on Sept 19, 2006 22:45:49 GMT -5
Great season opener! I knew who it was before the show; I figured it out after I saw the preview showing Jo and Declan.
Goren was fairly low key until Eames was kidnapped. He knows he's walking on eggshells with the new captain. So far I like the captain; it will take him a while to warm to Goren.
Favorite line: "I know cops aren't big on psychology." Goren: "Yeah, as a rule we like to talk about guns."
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Post by gorenrocks on Sept 19, 2006 22:48:14 GMT -5
wow, what a BANG of a season premiere! i'm a happy camper. though, i also didn't dig Ross as the new Captain. why all the Goren hate? he doesn't even know the guy. and if he's going on rumor rather than Goren's actual record and methods, shame on him. it just was one area where i felt the hand of the writer manufacturing drama where it didn't seem real.
not too much soap either, even with Eames being kidnapped. kudos to the writer, Charlie Rubin, for walking that tightrope successfully!
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Post by natethegreat on Sept 19, 2006 23:00:42 GMT -5
Loved it - what a great season opener!!! I'd be thrilled if they could focus on character and style rather than all the overcomplicated plots. THought it really showed the chemistry between Goren and Eames (nice to see his vulnreability and humanness) and the touching relationship of Declan and Jo - I actaully had tears in my eyes at her speech to Goren. Who cares if you knew that she did it- that was the point- she needed people - her father- to know- so her confession was all the more moving in its matter-of-fact delivery.
Also think that the addition of the new boss could prove to be an intersting challenge to Goren- I look forward to their interaction- will certainly keep the detectives on their toes.
I for one love the new style and can[t wait to keep watching- whoever was worried about the new cast and staff- if this is any predictor, I think you can realx and enjoy the new show.
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Post by LOCIfan on Sept 19, 2006 23:16:02 GMT -5
Also, lot's of nice little moments in this episode. My favorite line: Eames - I'm supposed to keep an eye on you. Goren - Let me know if I can help.
All the better, since it ends up being Eames who needs someone to keep an eye on her.
Also looooved the part where the wannabe criminal profiler/security guard is being patronizing with Goren about his profiling skills. Love the expression on the gaurd's face when Goren says "A class thing" and the guard is all encouraging and saying "Yea, a class thing."
Also loved the nod to Kim's Video and Music store on St. Mark's Place. A true landmark.
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Post by janetcatbird on Sept 19, 2006 23:24:55 GMT -5
Eames/Kathryn Erbe was amazing in the episode. She got her own self out (I was worried about Sir Goren rescuing the damsel in distress at just the crucial moment), she kept herself together--unscrewed the hook, got the door open, and scaled a wall in those heels! Yeah! "He wanted me to scream, so I didn't." And they say being stubborn is a bad thing.
Although I can't figure out if Eames was (physically) tortured. Her arms looked shiny in the first captivity shot, so I thought "Oh no, the lotion". But no cuts from the shears or anything, and her clothes stayed on and intact. All I saw was blood on her wrist and I took that as abrasions from the duct tape/bonds. Maybe Jo wanted her to react to the video clerk being tortured behind the curtain, that's certainly psychological trauma if nothing else is.
It reminded me of a couple episodes of The Avengers when Mrs. Emma Peel was trapped in a bad place with a madman going after her. (The episodes, by the way, were "The House that Jack Built" and "The Joker".) In those Steed did come in at the last minute, but Diana Rigg did some great performances along the way, and Steed was more backup than an actual savior. I want to be Mrs. Peel when I grow up--sorry, digression over.
Yeah, Eames lives in a house with a bird--is the bird's name Pauly? Dolly? I couldn't hear. (Well, we knew it wasn't a cat.) I am slightly disappointed that we didn't see her family, or at least get a mention. Good lord, her Dad is a former cop, and she was missing for (presumably) over 24 hours. You'd think they'd let the family know, especially with Eames being so close to them. (And they couldn't let Deakins pop into the hospital for a visit? Oh well, maybe he'll get a cameo during February sweeps if they give us another special episode for Eames--and in that case I think a quick "Good to see you again" hug would be quite acceptable. Wishful thinking, I know.)
Little nitpick: why was Goren active on Eames kidnaping? (I mean story-wise, not suck the viewer in for ratings tension.) Shouldn't he have been taken off out of concerns for objectivity, professionalism, etc.?
--Catbird
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Post by sarahlee on Sept 19, 2006 23:38:37 GMT -5
Good points as usual catbird-- you're right, Goren should have been taken off the case. But this is TV (I keep reminding myself).
I heard "Polly" not "Dolly" for Eames' bird. Did Jo kill the birdie too?
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