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Post by Techguy on Sept 21, 2006 14:02:46 GMT -5
CI is a TV SHOW, after all, and will invite an entire spectrum of opinions and levels of loyalty. The point I was making in my previous posts is that I personally don't care if SVU fans like or dislike CI because I'm not a fan of SVU or its format and for delving too much into the characters' personal lives. I also don't want CI to get so preoccupied with "winning over" fans of other shows that it sacrifices its unique identity to gain more popularity. That's my opinion, is not intended as an attack on anyone else's views, and I don't feel the need or desire to rationalize or apologize for expressing an opinion contrary to someone else's views.
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Post by LOCIfan on Sept 21, 2006 14:11:39 GMT -5
Where did you get your verifiable information from LOCIfan? Through a PM from a longtime and reliable "insider" who's been posting on this board for years. |
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Post by LOCIfan on Sept 21, 2006 14:14:02 GMT -5
CI is a TV SHOW, after all, and will invite an entire spectrum of opinions and levels of loyalty. The point I was making in my previous posts is that I personally don't care if SVU fans like or dislike CI because I'm not a fan of SVU or its format and for delving too much into the characters' personal lives. I also don't want CI to get so preoccupied with "winning over" fans of other shows that it sacrifices its unique identity to gain more popularity. That's my opinion, is not intended as an attack on anyone else's views, and I don't feel the need or desire to rationalize or apologize for expressing an opinion contrary to someone else's views. No, of course you shouldn't rationalize or apologize for expressing a contrary opinion. That's what this board is about. If I offended you, I offer sincere apologies. I have nothing but the utmost respect for you and your views, even when I disagree with them. |
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Post by Patcat on Sept 21, 2006 14:30:48 GMT -5
I'm reminded of a BLOOM COUNTY cartoon where Opus the penguin discovered life is offensive (g).
And I'm glad to hear Mr. Balcer is still involved with the show, even in a small capacity, both because he did such excellent work with it and I think he's of great value to it.
I wish we could ask him questions.
Patcat
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Post by Patcat on Sept 21, 2006 14:39:49 GMT -5
I just had a "what-if" moment. "What if" Jo had grabbed Goren instead of Eames? It makes sense from trying to get her Dad's attention, although it certainly doesn't fit Sebastien's profile
Patcat
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Post by LOCIfan on Sept 21, 2006 14:46:12 GMT -5
You know, I am beginning to wonder what Jo's motives were in NOT killing Eames. Eames was nothing to her, and she didn't simply hand her other victims up on hooks for a while and then let them escape. In fact, since the other victim was being tortured while Eames was hanging there, it seems as though Jo was around for much of the time.
Is it only because we can't have Eames die that she wasn't murdered? What other motives for letting her live are there?
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Post by trisha on Sept 21, 2006 14:46:40 GMT -5
Gorensmine, I do hope you come back. None of us are here to one-up anyone, and you must admit it would really stink if people only posted just to ITA another poster. B O R I N G ;D I'm not saying that people shouldn't post if they are basically just agreeing with another, though. I want everyone to post! I love my fellow CI fans, and the only place I have ever found other CI fans as rabid as I am is on this message board. And, I love a well rounded discussion where things I never would have thought of are presented to challenge my posted thoughts and views  I really agree with Cassie that we need to assume that for every one of us online posting, there is a hundred other fans who don't bother to get online about the show at all. According to the ratings, 11.9 million tuned in on Tuesday. That says a lot all by itself. But, it seems to me that number is around the average for CI. Am I mistaken? I also agree with Gorensmine that SVU has a huge fan base, and that's because many people love melodrama. I may not like it, but, for me, the show with a little more character stuff thrown in to feed those peoples wishes is better than no show at all. When it comes down to it, CI is in trouble. They are owned by a very greedy conglomerate that has shown its colors to old CI fans very clearly by now. This show will not be picked up again unless it gets more viewers, or at least does a good job propping SVU. I think WL is doing what he must to keep the show alive, and since he seems to have always wanted to get a little more personal with the characters, it works for him artistically, as well. Oh, well, we're terribly off topic now. |
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Post by LOCIfan on Sept 21, 2006 15:06:54 GMT -5
Do you think? I am just wracking my brains trying to come up with another reason for Jo to kidnap Eames but not kill her. And, I'm coming up blank. I'd hate to think that something so central to the story could be such a manipulative ploy without any story sense.
Come on veteran CI watchers, what do you think? Observer2, this is a case for you!!!
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Post by Cassie on Sept 21, 2006 15:12:42 GMT -5
Is it only because we can't have Eames die that she wasn't murdered? What other motives for letting her live are there? I got the impression from Eames, when she was telling Goren in the hospital, that Eames felt Jo didnt kill her because she didnt scream, (cry or beg for mercy) when the gag was removed from her mouth. As if Eames knew part of Jo's MO was, she needed the victim to cry in order to get off and kill them. Goren shook his head in the room as if he understood, that is what saved Eames life. |
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Post by LOCIfan on Sept 21, 2006 15:16:21 GMT -5
I'll buy it, Cassie! Anything so I don't have to slump into the rut of thinking that it was a cheap plot hole! THANKS!
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Post by trisha on Sept 21, 2006 15:35:07 GMT -5
Also, there were the hesitation marks on the first victim. She wasn't sure what she was doing, but as she went on, and one assumes the screaming and crying became more intense, Jo's cuts became stonger and deeper.
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Post by Cassie on Sept 21, 2006 15:59:03 GMT -5
I think WL is doing what he must to keep the show alive, and since he seems to have always wanted to get a little more personal with the characters, it works for him artistically, as well. I also feel that the writers of the show want to please all of the fans. There will be no romantic relationship between Goren and Eames. Warren Leight said that on the live blog the other night. However, I do feel the way this script was written, It was written in a way, to give those fans who enjoy the idea of Goren and Eames as a couple. Each fan of the show, can have their own take on what Goren was saying to Eames in the last scene while he was sitting by her bed. Those who want to know more about Goren's wacky personal history, got to meet his mentor Declan. Those who want a good crime story, got serial killer, Jo Techguy, I won't let the water cooler crowd , chase me away from LOCI. I was just sharing, what some who don't ever post, thought of the show. It was the first time, I ever got a negative feedback from them. And I was thinking, that maybe the writers are aiming to please just us...who post, and they may forget about the sane ones, who don't. And their opionon is just as important. They may be the ones who will changed their channels quicker, then you or I. Oh and SarahLee, about Goren and his pants/jacket. I need to rewatch the episode, but I think he was wearing that outfit, before Eames went missing! My hubby screwed up the recording of the show, so I have to wait until 9/30 for the USA showing to record it again. Hey, it's Ok, if Gorens suit didnt match, it made him look more human. I wouldn't mine seeing him more casual or Eames more professional. one or the other. Matching book ends. awww maybe not....... leave them the way they are. but once in awhile, lets dress Eames up for a date  |
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Post by sarahlee on Sept 21, 2006 16:58:12 GMT -5
Was Jo otherwise occupied? She tortured that poor woman, killed her, and then dumped the body, right? Wasn't she with her father after that? I'm curious now too...
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Post by cifan on Sept 21, 2006 17:15:47 GMT -5
Is it possible that Jo didn't kill Eames out of respect for Goren? Yea, I know she's a murderer but, she had a bit of a connection with Goren. They both could have gone "either way".
She knew what a devastating effect if would have had on him, had she killed her. Can a serial killer still have empathy? Just my 2 cents.
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Post by alex d'onofrio on Sept 21, 2006 18:04:32 GMT -5
i really liked this ep!
vincent was so good!!!
can't wait for more!!!
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