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Post by madger on Sept 27, 2006 10:18:20 GMT -5
UNDERWHELMED. That is my revue in a nutshell. Maybe I got my hopes up for Ross-Logan interaction, Ross seems to favor traditional cops, which is what Logan is. The story was lame, and there was none of the "why's" that make LO:CI LO:CI, and certainly no process of getting to the "why's" which is why most of us watch LO:CI. I know there can't be two Goren's, but please, make there be something to set these cops apart from every other cop on TV. But the freckles comment? Annoying. Like I said, she's not that young, and he just came across as smug and patronizing and sexist. That's exactly how Logan is, from way back when, so he actually nailed his character.
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Post by LOCIfan on Sept 27, 2006 10:38:04 GMT -5
Patcat, VIEW FROM UP HERE is undeniably the worst episode of CI ever. Now, if we were talking about best episode ever, it might be harder to get a consensus. This episode makes me worried for the Noth episodes. Unlike Blind Spot, which actually had a story to tell, all the way through. This one seemed much more like just a premise. And idea, ripped from a bunch of salacious headlines, and that's about it. Older, hot teach screws teenage student. That's it. Other than that, there wasn't much of an actual plot or story. The patched together stuff about how Danielle was stunted because she had to move schools wasn't compelling. Since this is LOCI, it might have been nice if the writers had delved a little further into the pathology of this phenomenon. Because it is a phenomenon. There's more than just Mary Kay Letourneau. And the one thing that seems to be a common thread through all of them, is that the hot teacher also suffers from unmedicated bipolar disorder. Now that's not an excuse, just like being really, really lonely and socially awkward wasn't an excuse for Tagman in Want. But it is a pyschological explanation, and it would have been interesting to see some kind of plot about it. Instead, we get, what? I'm not sure. Just kind of a jumbled mess of I love him, he's a man to me. I love her, it wasn't rape. Then, a kind of sudden turnabout from Danielle after a stroll through a playground with Wheeler? It says a lot for both Noth and Nicholson that, in spite of the weak story, I was still relatively engaged by both of them. They deserve better material. And, I'm with Metella about the opening and the body on the spikes. Entirely gratuitous. Had nothing to do with the story. It was an empty hook.
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Post by LOCIfan on Sept 27, 2006 10:40:39 GMT -5
I will miss and mourn the old CI (seasons 1-3 and a few of 4) but I am GRATEFUL we aren't getting more of the garbage from season 5. Season 5 was really really bad in just about every way until the final two episdoes of the season. I also caught this weeks House, and CI had better be worried, very worried. House is essentially the same show as the Goren eps, with a medical premise (the Logan eps have a more cop like feel and differ stylistically). But House is far better written and executed, and Hugh Laurie has the charisma VD left behind in season 3. I love both shows, and I don't want to see CI end, so I hope they keep up with the improvements, lose the new cinematographer and give House a run for the money. lovesong, I agree about HOUSE. I watched it this week too, and that show is at the top of its game. It is lean and mean and has yet to peak. It is consistently good in all aspects, story, character, visuals. Funny, but some of the visuals on HOUSE are a bit like what LOCI's trying to do, but it works on HOUSE and not on CI. I love LOCI, and I'm a big fan of HOUSE. If they go head to head, I'm afraid CI would come out the loser. BUT, why all this hating on last season all of a sudden? There were some terrific episodes last season. Acts of Contrition was great, In the Wee Small Hours was not only a season highlight, but a series highlight, Slither, Dramma Giocoso was the first exceptional Logan episode, Cruise to Nowhere, To the Bone, and The Good were all top notch CI. How come so many people are suddenly ripping on last season and how awful it was? It was definitely a season of change, since it was the first in which we saw alternating teams of detectives. The fact that there are so many high quality episodes from last season is the biggest surprise to me. I mean, can you imagine HOUSE surviving taking Hugh Laurie off the air every other week? It just seems strange to me that so many people are jumping on the bandwagon about how crappy CI was last year and how rejeuvenated it is now. Well, my two cents: it wasn't crappy. It had its ups and downs, but so did every season since #3. And as for this season? Well, two episodes do not a season make. And I'll withhold my judgment until all the evidence, whether it's 18 pieces or 22, is in. So far, I liked the premiere a lot (but recognize they can't kidnap Eames every week), and am only, meh about last night's offering.
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Post by trisha on Sept 27, 2006 11:07:59 GMT -5
LOCIfan, I agree about season 5. In general, I liked every episode. Did I give them all A+ grades on the polls? No. But I'm sure I didn't grade any of them below a B. I also seem to recall that most of the episodes got high marks from the majority of voters.
Season 4, on the other hand, I was not as enthralled with. BUT, I also don't recall giving any low marks in the polls then, either.
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Post by Patcat on Sept 27, 2006 11:27:18 GMT -5
I thought Season 5 was solid, not many homers, but no strikeouts, a lot of solid hits. Season 4 had a couple of homers for me (WANT), but a couple of strike outs (VIEW FROM UP HERE). Season 3 was disrupted by Bishop. Season 2 is the gold standard.
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Post by lovesong on Sept 27, 2006 11:30:41 GMT -5
Sorry, no bandwagon jumping for me. I've been bashing Season 5 since last September. Before that even, lol, since I was one of the loudest screaming about Logan coming back (different board). The only ep you mentioned that I will conceed is Wee Sm Hrs, plus To the Bone and The Good, which I already mentioned. In fact, the only reason I liked The Good was the Deakins angle; the main story, not to mention that big blonde, sucked IMO. I will also conceed that Logan is a good addition to the show, one I never thought I'd accept. I actually liked him last night and in to the Bone. Having despised that character since Mothership's early days, that is a big admission coming from me. ;-) Without that sow Barak holding him back, I think he'll do great things on the show. "Contrition" was OK, the Brit conductor in "Drama" made is passable, but I didn't care for "Slither" (and not just b/c of the NW angle, though I generally hate everything she has been attached to since Croyden got strung up) and hated "Cruise." CI hooked me on the first S1 episode, and I was a faithful viewer until last year. I was content to catch the reruns when I had time last year, since I could no longer count on it being worth the hour. This season has started out better than last, and I'm hopeful we'll get one or two more good years. House is just fantstic. I love it. I think CI definately loses that ratings war, even I will watch house and tiVo CI. Hopefully the SVU viewers (a breed I don't get since I have hated that show from the very beginning. What is the DEAL with that Hargitay woman? I cannot stand her!) ) will bulk up the ratings for CI enough to keep it going a bit longer. Though I want as little personal stuff and backstory as posible, I'll hang in there until until Goren goes irretrievably off the deep end. And I'll agree about all the gore. It has gotten worse in the last two seasons, on Mothership too. I really dislike it. A body under a sheet is all I need, but the CSI viewers seems to like it. I blame Davis Caruso, personally. He ruined my former favorite show, NYPD Blue, by virtue of egoexplosion and leaving, and somehow now his mere presence in the universe is managing to negatively affect my most recent (until House that is) favorite show. I think he's al qada, out destroy our civilization from the inside. Hargitay is part of that plot too, that is why she sneers all the time. ;D
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Post by SarahIvy on Sept 27, 2006 11:35:55 GMT -5
This episode was pretty meh. Not outright bad by any measure, just not all that great either. Ok, first, what I enjoyed: I am totally digging Ross, I think his strong presence is going to help be a bond between the casts. I also think I'm going to like Wheeler. She's like a sassy little pixie, and I adore her Peter Pan hair and the way she got on with Logan. Depending on where they take her character, I think she might be a great addition, and she's definitely got more spunk which I hope will perk up Logan a bit. He's seemed pretty flat to me since coming back last year. What didn't float my boat: Ugh, the new style of the openings is just lame, lame, lame. I can deal with changes, but I'd prefer they actually be changes for the better The new openings are just goofy and overdone. Boo hiss! And I know this is a petty gripe, but I'd like my "chung! chungs!" back. Blind Spot was so intense and enthralling I actually didn't notice upon first viewing, but now it's really bugging me. Give me my chung! chungs! and my date/location cards! I got no impression whatsoever of the new ADA. I'm not even going to say much of anything about the actual story/plot. Like Madger said, it was all just "who" and no "why" at all. Bleh. There were so many interesting directions they could have taken the whole female-teacher-teenage-student idea and it was basically a wasted effort with none of the fascinating emotional content of Blind Spot. (Man, I *really* came away from Season 5 feeling unhappy/concerned, it's not a sudden thing for me. I only really enjoyed a handful of the episodes, and a lot of others fell mighty flat for me. No other season has felt that way.)
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Post by lovesong on Sept 27, 2006 11:43:05 GMT -5
OK, last serial post. I echo the tru luv for Wheelers hair. I'm a hair's breadth from cutting mine off just like that. She is adorable and oddly believable. Eames has always been too butch for my taste and the women on those, ahem, other cop shows, are too busy buying push up bras to bring anything else to the table.
and I too REALLY mis the cung chungs and the date/ time cards. Plotting the dates from ep to ep was one of my favorite CI pasttimes.
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Post by 2011 on Sept 27, 2006 11:44:39 GMT -5
I actually didn't mind "The View From Up Here." Even last season, I didn't feel that any show was so ordinary as the one last night.
This episode was such a huge let down (maybe cuz I had a bad day and CI was the one thing I was looking forward to?)
In reterospect, I do agree with most you though--but this episode was still quite bad. Like some of you said, maybe OK for the original series, NOT for CI.
I kida got excited when they brought up the teacher's past--but then the story just--sort of dissolved....it was SUCH a let down!
Did like Julianne Nicholson though. Just hope the rest of the stories get beter--and are actually CI stories......
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Post by polarbear on Sept 27, 2006 12:43:46 GMT -5
the show was so flat and had no energy .There is no camparisom to goren and eames at all.leanne
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Post by spaniard on Sept 27, 2006 12:48:17 GMT -5
I haven´t seen the episode so tell me, is the teacher a bimbo or like my 67 year old science teacher? because you can be a legend sleeping with your bimbo teacher but I don´t think any sane guy would admit a relationship with the second choice in public. ;D
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Post by sisterelwood on Sept 27, 2006 13:15:34 GMT -5
Overall, I enjoyed this episode. Yes, there were parts that were 'meh' but there are times like that in every episode of every show. I like Wheeler and while this episode wasn't the best it certainly wasn't the worst- The View From The Top was far worse. As for last season- I liked the Goren and Eames episodes. I couldn't get into the Logan and Barek ones. If last night is any indication, though, I think the Logan episodes will be grabbing my attention more this season.
I have to respectfully disagree though with the idea that House is at the top of its game. I've been a House fan since the beginning and frankly I'm starting to find it rather... boring. There is a predictability in its story lines that is getting old. At least with the change up in the CI formula I have a reason to tune in each week to see what new thing is going to come into play. House doesn't have that element for me any more.
It may also have something to do with how House could miraculously walk and run again with no problems for the first few episodes of season three. Medically and logically that makes no sense- no matter what they did in his operation- and irked the hell outta me.
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Post by Patcat on Sept 27, 2006 13:28:26 GMT -5
I Julianne Nicholson's hair...and not just because I have roughly the same cut (g). She looks a lot better in it, though.
It's a good cut. It says "I can be cute and smart and tough." 'Course, with me, it just says I don't have the time to mess with my hair in the morning.
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Post by sisterelwood on Sept 27, 2006 13:29:08 GMT -5
Wheeler was wearing jeans in her first scene. Decidedly not protocol. While I agree I think there could be some reasoning behind it. She may have not been on-duty when they got the case so it would have been like the time Stabler on SVU was on vacation and they got a case so he was in there with shorts and a tropical-print shirt. In addition, I know that there was an allowance in the juvenile probation office I worked in over the summer that if you put in like two dollars to this charity you could where jeans to work- Blue Jean Fridays. I don't know if the police have such a program- definitely not for the level one officers and such but for detectives they might be more laid back on dress code in terms of jeans. Just a thought and me being weird. xD
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Post by sisterelwood on Sept 27, 2006 13:32:26 GMT -5
'Course, with me, it just says I don't have the time to mess with my hair in the morning. Patcat It might be the same with her. Can you imagine being a cop and having long hair- talking longer than shoulder length? Most departments frown on it and it does tend to get in an officers way. Short hair could be practical thing for Wheeler's character... as well as darn cute and spunky looking. ;D
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