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Post by DNA on Sept 27, 2006 14:02:18 GMT -5
Give me my chung! chungs! and my date/location cards! I don't mind the lack of chung chung's, they always kinda annoyed me anyway. Techguy we need a chung chung poll
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sisterelwood
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Post by sisterelwood on Sept 27, 2006 14:05:54 GMT -5
Give me my chung! chungs! and my date/location cards! I don't mind the lack of chung chung's, they always kinda annoyed me anyway. Techguy we need a chung chung poll I'm glad I'm not the only one who doesn't mind their absence. >_> I agree- we need a poll. ;D
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Post by janetcatbird on Sept 27, 2006 14:07:19 GMT -5
They were missing here too! I couldn't figure out what was off. I want my Chung-Chungs back! You can't have any Law & Order without a chung-chung!
As to Wheeler's hair--it does work with her face shape. It's also a heck of a lot more practical than Eames!
--Catbird
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sisterelwood
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Post by sisterelwood on Sept 27, 2006 14:17:26 GMT -5
As to Wheeler's hair--it does work with her face shape. It's also a heck of a lot more practical than Eames! --Catbird I've always wondered about that. Quick and dirty background- I'm a criminal justice major, graduating in December, currently interviewing to be a cop, blah, blah, blah. Why do I mention all that? Well, it's just that in all the studying I've done and work with police officers and juvenile probation officers I've done it's just really frowned upon to have long hair that isn't tied back when you are on the job. It's impractical and it looks sloppy. While Eames' hair has never been sloppy it does strike me as highly impractical.
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Post by mikeyrocks on Sept 27, 2006 14:45:52 GMT -5
I enjoyed this episode enough!!
But echo what alot of others have said - the writing seemed abit weak - like it was throw together rather quickly.
But I feel all the actors made the best of what they were given.
Logan seems to have a new maturity that and thoughtfulness that I really enjoyed.
I also really like Wheeler - she is skunky and smart and I'm sure we are going to see so much more from her - she seems to be a very layered character. What impresses me so much is that she has shown us that after only one episode. A mediocore one at that.
I LOVE the chemistry between Logan and Wheeler as well . I think I will really like seeing him as the senior patner. These two remind me alittle bit of early Logan and Briscoe . My fave all time detective pairing.
Finally and much to my suprise - I'm REALLY LIKING Ross. He is abit more agressive than Deakins was - BUT - still very professional and dignified - so different than the characters I'm used to seeing EB in : )
So although I haven't been totally wowed by either epie this season - I do expect good things from season 6.
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Post by janetcatbird on Sept 27, 2006 16:06:24 GMT -5
Janethyland, I think what most people hold against "View From Up Here" was a sloppy plot that wasn't a Law & Order twist so much as confused and disjointed. Add to that poorly conceived/executed characters (we can't even love to hate them), and for most people that's the bad standard. We mentioned it because while "Tru Love" was far from amazing, it was not as bad as it could have been.
So, are you saying that sex between underage minors and authority figures should be decriminalized because it's so frequent? As to full prisons, depending on who was involved and what circumstances there were, I think a lot of times people can get parole--but even out of prison teaching licenses are stripped, banned from working with underage minors, notification of new communities, etc.
We obviously know it happens, and the implications aren't quite as obvious when it isn't a direct authority like a teacher, religious leader, whatever). Some people do reach full emotional maturity during their teens, and may well be mental adults while still in school. But that is the exception, and for legal purposes under 18 counts as a minor. If it's a true emotional bond, they can wait until it's all above board before engaging in sex. If it is sex for grades, or manipulation for an ego trip or selfish gain, isn't that even more reason to penalize them? (Think of college/university settings--everyone is usually of legal age, but it's generally frowned on for professors to sleep with their students.)
I just can't figure out your position--and please don't think I'm trying to be confrontational about this--do you think we're overreacting to something that isn't so bad, or just trying to remind us that this is not such a fluke? (I'm sure every society has their own Mary Kay Letourneaus, but trust us, it's not a new idea.) Like I said, I'm not trying to be ugly, I'm just not sure where you stand.
--Catbird
PS: Metella, I also admire your turn of phrase!
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Post by trisha on Sept 27, 2006 16:23:52 GMT -5
What I like about Wheeler most is not her hair, though I agree it's very cute, but rather that she sees the bully in Logan and she's not about to take it or let it push her off her game. For instance, his jab implying she scored her job in Major Case via nepotism. She shot right back with, "So, Deakins is your guy?" implying that Logan had a little help, too, and perhaps not in the most honest manner.
There's some friction there, and I kind of like it -- as long as it doesn't become too much the focus in any episode or in their shows in general. Let them walk a fine line with eachother, I say. It will keep us all on our toes ;D
eta, about the teacher/student sex ... I think it shows at best poor judgement and loose morals on the part of the teacher. MKL has her defenders here, but I'm not now, nor will I ever be one of them.
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Post by Leticia on Sept 27, 2006 18:18:35 GMT -5
Well, it was all right. I shall always remember it because the magic of US iTunes in concert with ebay has allowed me to watch it before all talk dies off on this message board, and after all this time reading I am actually posting something, but I don’t know how far the writers/directors/actors can be credited with that.
Initially I was enjoying it (actually initially I was rolling my eyes at the teaser and having a flashback to Zoonotic when the doctor started stripping) but the second half really dragged. It became fairly obvious what was going on as soon as they discovered the teacher and student were steaming it up in the car and after a while I just got bored with their adolescent whining. As several people have noted, where was the psychology? I went to several different secondary schools and colleges and have never felt the urge to seduce any sixteen year olds. Is it suddenly going to hit when I reach thirty? When Wheler asked if they could get her released into their custody I briefly thought that an ingenious ploy might be afoot, but it soon became clear that that was not the case. Is a bit of a fright really enough to undo the kind of deep emotional trauma that changing high schools inflicts? Er…
Wheeler and Logan interacting with her was definitely the highlight of the episode. They both had some great lines and scenes- the homemade pornography one springs to mind. I didn’t mind Barek when she was there, but now that I see Logan on screen with someone else I realise how flat she really was. I am surprised by what seems to be retroactive souring of her relationship with Logan. I never got the impression that they didn’t get on last season, but Logan’s look implies otherwise.
Ross is growing on me, but I can’t say the same for the new ADA. The only thing that drew my attention was her eyebrows. That sounds B***hy written down, but it truly was the only part of her that stayed with me! I hope that she is a three episode deal and that Carver got promoted.
As to the morality of Danielle and Keith’s relationship… Teacher student relationships are an abuse of power, no matter how juvenile one of them feels like acting. I doubt much sympathy would be given to a male teacher in that situation and I see no reason to coddle a female perpetrator. 16 is the age of consent here in the UK (I am surprised by Canada’s 14) so I am not all that shocked by that aspect- I had more trouble with the incredible skankiness of them having unsubtle sex in the back of a far from empty coach.
One thing I wondered- how far along do you have to be to do a paternity test? I have no idea, but I always had a (quite possibly false) idea that you had to wait few months or so. But then maybe it was a few months. Without the date and time cards I was rather awash! It’s one thing when the entire second half of an episode takes place over twelve hours or so, but another when you get into court scenes.
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sisterelwood
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Post by sisterelwood on Sept 27, 2006 18:25:29 GMT -5
One thing I wondered- how far along do you have to be to do a paternity test? I have no idea, but I always had a (quite possibly false) idea that you had to wait few months or so. But then maybe it was a few months. Without the date and time cards I was rather awash! It’s one thing when the entire second half of an episode takes place over twelve hours or so, but another when you get into court scenes. I pondered that myself when they showed it on TV. I'll buy that enough time passed... maybe because they had done the court bit. Otherwise, hmm... This is one of the times I kinda wish we did have te date and time cards again.
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Post by LOCIfan on Sept 27, 2006 18:38:14 GMT -5
A paternity test can be done as early as ten weeks, but it is rarely advised, since it can cause miscarriage, and because it is very expensive. So it wouldn't be something the prison hospital would do for her. Also, they'd need the mother's consent to perform the test.
It could be that she and the cops were lying to the kid, due to her unbelievable change of heart.
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Post by Cassie on Sept 27, 2006 19:06:50 GMT -5
It could be that she and the cops were lying to the kid, due to her unbelievable change of heart. that, and her wealthy husband might have wanted to know who's child she is carrying. My intial reaction to the story is that with all the excitement from last week show. it was a bit of a let down. I can't say its anyones fault, just that we might be comparing it to a show that was more emotional engaging to us because it was centered around the kidnapping of Eames. I like Wheeler, she is spunky, young and cute. I wasn't crazy about the new DA. The way she said her lines, I just saw her as Carver wearing a skirt. She sounded like him to me. OK...off to my 2nd viewing
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Post by LOCIfan on Sept 27, 2006 19:30:47 GMT -5
It could be that she and the cops were lying to the kid, due to her unbelievable change of heart. that, and her wealthy husband might have wanted to know who's child she is carrying. Yes, I'm sure he would want to know, since until proven otherwise, the paternity of a child born in wedlock is legally presumed to be the husband, meaning that he would be on the hook for child support. It is, however, a rebuttable presumption requiring DNA testing. He would definitely want the DNA testing done, and could legally compel it the very day the child is born. But prior to that, if the mother withholds consent, there's nothing he could do to force it. So in this episode, she consented. Or they lied.
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Post by Techguy on Sept 27, 2006 19:43:53 GMT -5
Techguy we need a chung chung poll I agree- we need a poll. ;D As you wish--it's already up in General CI Discussion.
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Post by sarahlee on Sept 27, 2006 19:55:37 GMT -5
So...the consensus is, "Blind Spot", spot on; "Tru Love", meh.
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Post by Summerfield on Sept 27, 2006 20:04:29 GMT -5
So...the consensus is, "Blind Spot", spot on; "Tru Love", meh. D'Onofrio, Cadillac....Noth, Chevrolet
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