2011
Silver Shield Investigator
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Post by 2011 on Sept 26, 2006 21:07:45 GMT -5
God. Worst episode EVER.
I really hope this isn't an indication of things to come, because if so, this may be the last season.
Seriously--WORST EPISODE--EVER.
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Post by trisha on Sept 26, 2006 21:15:20 GMT -5
I admit that I wasn't able to give it my 100% attention, but what I saw, I liked. One part made me sit up and take notice -- when Logan and Ross were talking about Wheeler and he said he could always get Barek back if Logan wanted ... okay, besides the great look on Logan's face WAS THAT A THREAT, Mr. Leight!!?? Don't do it, please! Anything but that! Besides, I do like Wheeler
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Post by NicoleMarie on Sept 26, 2006 21:15:45 GMT -5
I was watching this thinking "What the hell? Is this CI or SVU?" I was half right from the Hard Evidence game, I guessed Danielle as the killer. I don't think the kid actually did the murder, I thinki he just knew about it. So I was right after all! HA! Ross isn't as hostile top Logan, as I expected but Ross does have more of an attitude towards Logan than I expected. Don't ask me why but Wheeler is as annoying as Ross and makes me like Logan! Damn you CI! Anyone else notice Logan's clothes also mismatched in the opening?
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Post by j2g on Sept 26, 2006 21:21:47 GMT -5
So why did the teacher revert to a 16 year old? Because she had to switch high schools?
I don't know what to think about this one - I think there was a good episode buried in here but it got bogged down. By standard CI MO, shouldn't they have made the teacher realize she was an adult instead of basically scaring her into pleading guilty?
Joe
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Post by NicoleMarie on Sept 26, 2006 21:27:59 GMT -5
Nah, standard CI MO would have pitted them against each other so Danielle and Keith could see how stupid and phony the other is Then they'd start yelling at each other and pointing fingers while the detectives and the ADA beam.
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Post by natethegreat on Sept 26, 2006 21:35:15 GMT -5
I think this was another great episode and I'm looking forward to the rest - so far, at least, it's the best of the L&O's as well as all of the other new crime dramas.
Also, I really appreciate the humor that came through. This is the first time that I actually laughed out loud - at the look on Logan;s face with the threat to bring back Barek (thank goodness she's gone!), when they were all watching the father's porn tapes, Logan's line about being a "Cananda buff", and the flirtation between the lesbian mechanic and Wheeler. Definitely made Wheeler seem much more human than Barek ever did. Plus, Logan was not only amusing but also had some sweet moments with the kid.
I disagree that Danielle was definitely the murderer. I think it was intentionally left ambiguous - Keith confessed and will serve time. No reason not to believe him, except that he might be protecting Danielle or they planned it like that b/c he would get a light sentence as a juvenile. But either way, a heartbreaking ending with Keith all alone.
Does anyone else think their might be a theme with Danielle and Declan from episode one being awfully dysfunctional teacher/parental/mentor figures? Of course, their dysfunctionalities are polar opposite - Declan as totally self-absorbed so not present and Danielle as pathetic insecure and immature so having a co-dependent relationship with her student instead of an adult.
Anyway, kudos again - well shot, well written, and looking forward to Brooke Shields - is that supposed to be a riff on Christie Brinkley?
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Post by Patcat on Sept 26, 2006 22:25:50 GMT -5
"Worst ever" is a bit much--have you seen THE VIEW FROM UP HERE? (Sorry, it's my favorite episode to bash.) The plot and guest stars were on the weak side--I'm still not sure what happened at the end, and I agree we're in dangerous SVU territory.
But I like Wheeler, aside from that slightly stiff gunslinger like posture. She's smart and tough and funny, and Julianne Nicholson has a nice snap to her lines. And the more I see of Chris Noth as Logan, the more I like him.
Now, if the writers would give this team a better plot.
Patcat
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Post by janetcatbird on Sept 26, 2006 22:26:48 GMT -5
I hate the opening jerky-fauz arty camerawork. Just show us what's happening! And the music got a bit overwhelming and melodramatic unnecessarily (searching the apartment).
Wheeler was wearing jeans in her first scene. Decidedly not protocol. However, I think she's promising. The toughness is believable and to be expected, especially since she's dealing with a somewhat resentful new partner. However, her scenes with Ross also seem like legit professional respect, not sucking up to a boss. Interesting how her father ran out so she was with her mother, as opposed to Logan's abusive mother and his latching onto Daddy. (Logan's crack about getting carded, she doesn't look that young.)
Logan--lose the bad hair dye. Loved the annoyance at yet another change in partners, and the new detective's initial coldness. ("Don't feel any pressure to keep up conversation.") But the freckles comment? Annoying. Like I said, she's not that young, and he just came across as smug and patronizing and sexist. If someone commented on any physical attribute of mine, not just sexual stuff, I'd be pissed. "I'm a professional here, so shut up and let me do my damn job!" (Sorry for the language, but I think it would be in character.)
Like the continuing exposition of Ross. Protective father/family man, especially since the kids are coming into a danger zone and as a cop he knows just how bad things can get. I think his paternalism and protectiveness (towards Wheeler) is more blatant, whereas Deakins just seemed like an older boss. I don't think he means that as disrespect towards Wheeler's abilities, but if he was a rabbi (that's the more official mentor for a rookie, right), he was probably there during some bad harassment at first. He knows she can do the work, but don't be ugly to her.
No real explanation for Barek leaving--was Ross supposed to have yanked her for no real reason? Was he really meaning to be sarcastic about bringing her back for Logan, or was it just Logan's eye roll that made it seem that way?
Danielle, the teacher--at least they were consistent with the juvenile thing. Did you see the short denim skirt when first talking to Wheeler? No school my Mama ever taught at allowed such unprofessional wardrobe. Very immature, and the hair hanging in her face. Although interesting how she was able to keep the adult facade up normally, but stress forced her into that petulant whiny brat.
They never did explain why Keith's classmates, who ridiculed him, would suddenly show up to cheer him on at the courthouse. Trust me on this, teenagers do not think it's cool to sleep with a teacher, and if you were an outcast before ain't no way they'd root for you once it came out. And being responsible for a parent's accident, especially one who seemed to cause some stress in the community, is a far stretch fromt he stereotypical "cool" rebellion. Bad writers, no cookie!
But is this CI? Where's the psych stuff? This would have been fine as a mothership plot, but since all we got was a throwaway "Something bad happened to her when she was 16". They seemed to hint that she knows something about psychology, but not as a specialty.
I like the ADA. Pity she won't stick around, I could have latched on to her.
Kind of a meh episode. Not awful--2011, this is not the worst episode ever. "View From Up Here", need I say more? (ETA: Whoops, Patcat got in ahead of me while I was typing!) But certainly not strong. I agree with you, Patcat; good team, bad story.
--Catbird
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Post by orsonb on Sept 26, 2006 22:37:26 GMT -5
2011 must have not been around last season where practically every episode was phoned in. Last year, except for less than a handful of episodes, the show looked flat, felt stale, and was on its way out. At least this year, so far, there's some pop. And better yet, a possibility that it will be around for a bit longer.
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Post by NicoleMarie on Sept 26, 2006 23:01:07 GMT -5
What does "phoned in" mean?
JanetCatbird,
I cannot believe I'm going to do this but I'm gonna fend for Logan here. I don't think he was being condenscending at all, I think he was just trying to be funny. I laughed when he said that. I was rather annoyed at the captain hinting that Logan better kiss Wheeler's butt.
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Post by filmnoir5 on Sept 26, 2006 23:09:26 GMT -5
I like the ADA. Pity she won't stick around, I could have latched on to her. --Catbird ADA Kent may stick around longer than 3 episodes since some sources have said she would be in at least 3 episodes. Others have said she would not be in every episode but then that is the case with all of the regulars except for Eric Bogosian. I would give the episode good but I have higher hopes for future episodes featuring Logan, Wheeler, Ross and Kent. I found myself more interested in the interactions between new partners, Logan and Wheeler (already better chemistry than Barek and Logan) Logan and Ross, Ross and Wheeler and even ADA Kent with the other characters. I had low hopes for the "teacher/student plot" However, CI did handle the plot better than most mystery/crime dramas and had more interesting characters and actors in the story. I thought the student was a very good actor. Logan's interaction with the student reminded me of Goren in Cruise To Nowhere. I like Jonathan LaPaglia but I was disappointed he did not have a major role in this episode. L&O:CI does seem to have a pattern for hiring actors who are related to other actors (Rosanna Arquette, Tatum O'Neal, Jordan Bridges, Martha Plimpton, etc...) P.S. Biggest Mystery : What happened between Barek and Logan or Ross and Barek???
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Post by Jefferaldo on Sept 26, 2006 23:16:26 GMT -5
I'm watching it at the moment but from what I see I like. Best line just came by:
Wheeler: (blunt) Where did your dad keep his homemade porn tapes?
Will comment properly after I finish watching.
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Post by LOCIfan on Sept 26, 2006 23:31:51 GMT -5
I need to watch it again before commenting. Didn't love it, didn't hate it. Did love some of the lines, especially the one from Ross to Logan about getting Barek back if he wanted... Aaaaaak! Not that!!! Anything but that!!! And that was the ONLY reference made to her! Wow. I also liked the stuff early on about how Logan and Wheeler negotiated the driving, and how Logan told Ross he'd never had a partner with freckles before, then got an earfull about how qualified she was, and that he was her "Rabbi" and how Logan acknowledged that Deakins was sort of his "Rabbi".
What I didn't buy was the way the episode played out. By the end, Danielle was convinced that she was wrong. That she should leave the boy alone. But every single one of these cases show that these women, these teachers, who should know better, just don't. That they plead love. That they wait for them to get out of jail, or are waited for to get out of jail, or violate restraining orders every chance they get. They don't just turn around and say, oh, you're right, I've had my head up my a$$. I need to cool my jets.
That seemed psychologically false. And that's something I mind a whole lot more than any legal missteps. Because if LOCI can't get the psychological stuff right, why watch?
I'm open to Logan and Wheeler. But I need to see better from them. I just hope that the LOCI team isn't just leaving them in the dust and only really paying attention to the Goren and Eames episodes. I'm one of the fans who watches all of the episodes, and hope to see the same care go into both sets. Except, this episode didn't make me feel that's what's going on here.
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Post by Jefferaldo on Sept 26, 2006 23:34:47 GMT -5
They never did explain why Keith's classmates, who ridiculed him, would suddenly show up to cheer him on at the courthouse. Trust me on this, teenagers do not think it's cool to sleep with a teacher, and if you were an outcast before ain't no way they'd root for you once it came out. And being responsible for a parent's accident, especially one who seemed to cause some stress in the community, is a far stretch fromt he stereotypical "cool" rebellion. Bad writers, no cookie! Actually, I'm 16 at an all boys school and trust me, if one of the students slept with this teacher at our school, no matter how much an outcast he was, he would be a school legend. But that's here at my school in Australia so I don't know about you guys over there.
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Post by sarahlee on Sept 26, 2006 23:36:26 GMT -5
It was....OK. I think like catbird, this seemed more like a L&O, than a CI epi. The story was...ehh. Not so great, the supporting actors were not of the calibre we're used to seeing. Or maybe it was the weak story. The whole thing just didn't seem well thought out. I'm still confused about the ending. And I miss the Duh-duhh! I got to liking the silly sound, and I want it back.
Logan had a good moment, with that devilish look he's so good at, with Ross's threat to bring back Barek. Where is she? Where's Carver? Why don't the writers bring it up? Surely these characters gossip.
I liked Wheeler--spunky. Reminds me of Eames. Logan likes strong women, he likes to spar with 'em. Maybe conflict with her will bring the old Mikey back.
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