|
Post by Summerfield on Oct 31, 2006 22:55:03 GMT -5
Awed, or just shocked?
|
|
|
Post by Cassie on Oct 31, 2006 23:01:50 GMT -5
I thought Liza Minnelli was great and I am so pleased that Beth did not end up being the killer. I was worried about that.!! Patsy Ramsey was respected. I also felt that this show reminded me of the murder of Martha Moxley. Years later, a cop (Mark Furhman) reopens the case and discovers that a boy in the neighborhood with a drug problem was the murderer. I liked how the story, "ripped from the headlines" which was about a crime of today, that led back to a crime of yesterday. www.marthamoxley.com/reviews/jbatten.htmwww.marthamoxley.com/I was surprised and disappoined with Eames with her comment about the female rookie cop, making it harder on all females entering into the academy. That women were too emotional. But I liked the way Goren commented that it was a Rookies mistake and he implied that gender had nothing to do with it. I found the pumpkin hanging on the wall by the elevators of the Major Case Squad….a little unbelieveable. I wonder if at Thanksgiving we will see a turkey
|
|
|
Post by raeangel319 on Oct 31, 2006 23:11:12 GMT -5
i too thought the jack-o-lantern by the elevators was weird. thought maybe MCS was a little too uptight to celebrate halloween...but, who knows right?
loved the look goren gave eames when she dropped him off at beth's for dinner. didn't really understand that. i mean, i can understand goren questioning her...but dinner? why? and why did eames have to walk him to the door? lol..
the comment eames made about the rookie making it harder for female cops because "women were too emotional"...i guess i took that as eames (and other female cops) just had another hurdle to overcome. that she felt others thought women were too emotional and she had to disprove the stereotype.
were eames and goren giving each other dirty looks? looked like it to me. eames kinda gave one when goren was arguing w/ ross at teh elevators. goren gave one to eames when she said beth was making "goo-goo" eyes at goren....just seemed kinda...weird. a little amusing..but weird.
EDIT: haha..just rewatched those scenes. eames didn't mean to "drop off" goren. she was coming too until beth said she didn't expect both...she obviously just wanted goren there. goren looked kinda freaked though...hehehe. bad eames! leaving bobby with her!
|
|
|
Post by Patcat on Oct 31, 2006 23:45:25 GMT -5
I'm not crazy about rehashing the JonBenet Ramsay case, but if it has to be done, this is the way to do it.
Very well acted by all, especially Ms. Minnelli, who was remarkably restrained. The young actor playing the neighbor's son was also good, and I thought Bill Irwin was excellent as the neighbor.
And Eames was snarking everywhere.
I liked the occasionally antagonist conversations between Ross and the detectives.
Patcat
|
|
effie
Detective
off chasing plot bunnies...
Posts: 264
|
Post by effie on Oct 31, 2006 23:59:33 GMT -5
Just finished my second time through this episode and my brain in still running in overdrive... but firstly, how nice was it to see "Spence's" con sister from "The Posthumous Collection" as the female rookie cop!!
And did you all notice how sweaty this episode was? Especially in the final scene at the crypt. Which they must have filmed at least two takes of as the collar of Goren's shirt was alternately damp and not in various shots.
Still thinking about all the snarking -- verbal and physical -- between Goren and Eames -- and all the Ross confrontations. Love overlapping dialogue.
So much to think about. Like I'm going to be able to sleep for a while...
Effie
hee... heee... "Tuxedo Hill" is on right now, and Bobby just said English peppermints are "an aquired taste." :0)
"Zesty!"
|
|
|
Post by sarahlee on Nov 1, 2006 0:05:39 GMT -5
Good, solid episode. Minnelli was much better than I expected, the story was tight, with unexpected (for me) twists. The pace was slower, not so frantic. My first blush of impressions.
*ducking slings and arrows* But, what's with VDO? I'm getting the creeping feeling of...something's off with him. Is it the worry over his mother? The strain of losing his mentor? Almost losing Eames? He looks puffy and sallow, he moves slower, he talks slower, he lumbers through a scene. Where's his sharp wit? His distracted (seeming) stare into space?
|
|
effie
Detective
off chasing plot bunnies...
Posts: 264
|
Post by effie on Nov 1, 2006 0:15:02 GMT -5
There certainly does seem to be something percolating under the surface. But it remains to be seen WHAT.
|
|
|
Post by darmok on Nov 1, 2006 0:52:48 GMT -5
I liked this one fairly well. I like the interaction with Ross. He's not enamored with Goren, but he gives him room to work.
I don't agree that there were dirty looks between Goren and Eames. When Goren and Ross were arguing, she did give a look, but I thought it was because she doesn't like them fighting. And I agree with the interpretation that Eames decided to bow out when it was obvious she wasn't wanted at dinner; otherwise there would have been no reason for her to go to the door.
|
|
|
Post by sarahlee on Nov 1, 2006 1:06:15 GMT -5
My vote for best snark: "Call me if you need a ride home." ;D--Alex Eames (of course!)
|
|
|
Post by caseyswife on Nov 1, 2006 1:10:14 GMT -5
I thought it was fantastic. Smartly done - great performances all around - and unless I missed it, no goofy camera work! I think VDO is looking superb - Bobby is definitely different and I can sense something under the surface - but he definitely looks much improved from last year. I missed the pumpkin... Will rewatch and comment further. caseyswife
|
|
|
Post by mikeyrocks on Nov 1, 2006 1:12:38 GMT -5
Another very good episode.
Not sure who I was more creeped out by - Fiff or Nate.
Lots of twists - that kept my interest BUT I always had the sneaking suspcion that Nate was in fact little Amberleigh's killer.
Very good performances all around - I was very impressed with Ms. Minnelli and also the young man that played the son. He looks familiar has he been on CI before?
The biggest suprise for me was the mini blow out between Ross and Goren - I wonder if we will see more of those? Ross does seem to ram heads more with Goren than the others doens't he - I wonder why? Just a difference in their personal styles perhaps!
On a totally different note - I"m very hyped about next week's episode - Mikey seems to be at the TOP with his snark ;D - and I'm also really starting to enjoy Wheeler's character as well.
|
|
|
Post by sarahlee on Nov 1, 2006 1:33:14 GMT -5
Maybe the agrivation goes back to "Fall of Empires" or "Winter of the Patriarchs"!! True, true. Two alphas marking their circle...
|
|
|
Post by sobergal95 on Nov 1, 2006 4:30:20 GMT -5
I loved it, so far this season just rocks compared to the last couple years.
Mikeyrocks, I think the actor that played the son was a waiter at the bar mitzvah in "Crazy" from season one. I like watching for the returning actors and they turn up on the mothership and SVU too. And how about the return of Faith Yancy? I loved that they played her to their advantage.
I think Goren and Ross will probably bump heads alot; but even in that interaction by the elevator they did agree they ultimately wanted the same thing. And I liked the look on Goren's face when shortly later Ross stood up to the DA about holding off on the arraignment until they had more information to back up the case. (As for the pumpkin by the elevator, I didn't think it so odd, I worked at the City County building and our floor put up holiday decorations. Another detective had a pumpkin on his or her desk. It seems to me we've "seen" the elevators alot more this season than in previous ones?) I thought it odder that they would fly a suspect first class with champagne? Although maybe it would be more secluded for their protection than in coach although there was still reporters around.? Just a thought.
I liked that they sent Eames in to question Fife alone after he'd asked for Bobby. I think they like playing the suspects where they can. Like later when she shows the son the video of his dad on Faith Yancy's show and the captain shows up after "looking for him in holding".
Loved Bobby's "date" with Beth although it was difficult to hear since my dog was barking at the doorbell on the TV, which is ironic since we don't have a doorbell. Loved Liza's bling, and the "please don't leave me" look he gave Eames.
Obviously the ball was dropped on this case early on by rookie mistakes, but why weren't higher up detectives called in back then? I wonder how much the neighbor acting as "protector" blocked the investigation. I can understand the first officer making some mistakes in judgement, but what about her partner? Do they partner rookies up with other rookies? I don't think the mistakes were female rookie mistakes, but mistakes, and what became of her male partner? Did he leave in disgrace too? I liked that Goren didn't assign the mistakes to gender as willingly as Eames would. (But, it probably did make it harder on her as a female later since the police are still mostly a boy's club).
I think the grieving stage mother definitely has some real issues. Although, Nate probably liked her playing that role to make his role of protector even stronger. She reminds me of a Blanche Dubois ("I have always relied on the kindness of strangers") type that enjoys the attention (especially male attention) she gets. But I thought it was neat that she was so willing to forgive Jamey so quickly (although I guess 14 years after the fact might not be that quick after all). And now I'm wondering how much she couldn't move on was on her or on Nate.
I probably should start this next thought on a general thread, but I don't know how so I will throw it out here: How much do people know about 12 Step programs? Obviously the writers do, and Goren has some familiarity with them from previous episodes. It seems odd that he would know the steps (maybe he went to Alateen or Al-Anon because of his acholic dad?). It seems odd that Eames would ask Jamey what step he was on and that Goren would be able to quote that step. But then again it IS Goren who seems to know about just about everything, so why would it seem odd? I say this as a recovering person in case my screen name didn't out me, but wondered how much "earthlings" (so few people are "normal") know about them. I thought it was totally groovy that Jamey was ready to take responsibility for what he thought he'd done at 14 weeks clean/sober when alot of people are still balking at the first step for months. Of course I also wonder how much his perceived guilt contributed to his addiction as well as his father's enabling.
Ok, lots of jumbled thoughts but I really enjoyed this episode.
|
|
elizabethbay
Detective
Oh god, I've swallowed the tie clip...
Posts: 242
|
Post by elizabethbay on Nov 1, 2006 6:46:39 GMT -5
Sobergal, that was a fantastic appraisal of Masquerade - I love it when I can visualise the episode without having seen it - makes me feel almost in the loop ;-) Pity about your pup having a minor canine meltdown at the critical moments, but I'm callous, and I laughed. No doorbell, eh? Ah yes, we had a dog who had psychotic breaks whenever someone said the word "Cat." Would go utterly beserk. And we didn't have a cat. Never could figure that one out, but we incorporated it into many nights of dinner party entertainment for our guests. We have pitiful social skills, clearly.
I congratulate you on your name and your success in recovery, too. You must find the Law & Order multiverse interesting. Alcohol is such a frequently recurring motif in all three L&Os, as we know. Lenny on the mothership (and MCCoy is no teetotaler, with his stash of self-medicating Jack Daniels) Cragen and Benson's mother on SVU, Goren's father and Logan's mother, plus untold numbers of guest characters.
Interesting,too, and quite affecting how well Goren handles alcoholic personalities in the various eps; he is inevitably gentle and non-judgemental where others can be brusque or disapproving. It seems quite natural that he knows the 12 Steps, somehow - soulful psychology. After reading your post, I looked up these Steps. They sound bloody difficult! You and everyone who has taken the path are an inspiration. Thanks for spreading the light. By the way, is the 95 in your name the year you began your recovery?
|
|
peachybc
Silver Shield Investigator
Posts: 109
|
Post by peachybc on Nov 1, 2006 9:20:44 GMT -5
*ducking slings and arrows* But, what's with VDO? I'm getting the creeping feeling of...something's off with him. Is it the worry over his mother? The strain of losing his mentor? Almost losing Eames? He looks puffy and sallow, he moves slower, he talks slower, he lumbers through a scene. Where's his sharp wit? His distracted (seeming) stare into space?I agree with you Sarahlee. Goren looks rumpled, tie askew, shirt partially untucked, messy hair, uninspired, lethargic behavior, etc. Goren's character has lost his zip and enthusiasm. I'm thinking it's deliberate though to reflect Goren's mental state about his dying Mom, etc. Hard to believe that wardrobe, hair and makeup folks on CI would suddenly get so sloppy this year and inattentive to these details and only with Goren's character. Erbe is looking just fine, so is the rest of the cast. Me thinks VDO has gone "deep sea monster" with the Goren character. I think these changes are character driven. VDO has chosen the aspects that will reveal Goren's true mental state. Goren's showing up for work and plodding through the cases but his heart and mind are elsewhere. If it's not character driven, then something is definitely amiss with VDO personally. I certainly hope that's not the case!
|
|