elizabethbay
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Oh god, I've swallowed the tie clip...
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Post by elizabethbay on Nov 1, 2006 22:32:57 GMT -5
It really does seem as though this year they are getting high-profile fantastic guest stars. Maybe the meatier, more emotional roles are more attractive to the stars. Reading not-so-between-the-lines of Warren Leight's interview, it sounds like both your scenarios are on the money: Leight's moving to bring on board the brand-name guests to boost viewership, and as more brand-name guests come on board, the pump is primed for more A-Lister names (well, A-/B+ listers, really - we've yet to see Tom Hanks or Cruise or Rusty Crowe in the MCS interrogation room) wanting to do a gig. |
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Post by sarahlee on Nov 1, 2006 22:43:45 GMT -5
...Final thought: What's with Goren plying alcohol to witnesses/suspects? That seemed out of character. ...but he has in the past...lets see, the episode with Joey Frost, where Goren sits on the sofa with Joey's mom and pours her drink, and Goren with Karen Black's character, keeping her glass full. Sorry, I don't remember the titles, brain fart! |
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Post by Cassie on Nov 1, 2006 22:53:52 GMT -5
Karen Black episode was "Con-text", Joey Frost episode was "Cruise to No where" Thanks Sarahlee....now I get it  |
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elizabethbay
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Oh god, I've swallowed the tie clip...
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Post by elizabethbay on Nov 1, 2006 22:55:02 GMT -5
...and VDO looked really bad. It was hard to look at him. I went over to thereel and checked out the screencaps, just to make sure I'm not obsessing over the imaginary again, and I'm still worried. VDO doesn't look healthy. I hope it's just set dressing... You have to wonder if it's both. VDO doesn't look crash hot, no secret there, and hasn't for a season and a quarter. Instead of slapping on the make-up with a trowel and dousing him in Visine, perhaps they're playing to the actor's natural fatigue, and making it part of character? Surely a part of it HAS to be welded to plot. The starey, sick-poodle hair is a 'tell': the stylists could have fixed that mess in a minute. I mean, one can't imagine that VDO has exactly slipped the wardrobe and make-up artists' minds: "Well, we've made Erbe gorgeous, Bogosian looks pure Armani, and Ms Minnelli is sparkle-arkle. Okay, people, that's seems to be it. Everybody take lunch." I would think at some point Leight is going to have to play his hand and justify Goren's rumpled distractedness in the script. Ross may have to take Eames aside and ask her if Bobby is sleeping in his suits, or if he's permanently lost his comb because of the Mother Goren situation. Some connection will have to be made, it seems to me, otherwise the transformation of Goren from fashionplate to frump will be oblique to casual viewers. Memo to Mr. Warren Leight: Goren gets so distracted and slovenly that he misplaces the tie clip. Permanently. Whaddaya say? |
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elizabethbay
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Oh god, I've swallowed the tie clip...
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Post by elizabethbay on Nov 1, 2006 22:59:30 GMT -5
...Final thought: What's with Goren plying alcohol to witnesses/suspects? That seemed out of character. ...but he has in the past...lets see, the episode with Joey Frost, where Goren sits on the sofa with Joey's mom and pours her drink, and Goren with Karen Black's character, keeping her glass full. Sorry, I don't remember the titles, brain fart! Also, it's implied that Goren has bought the round of lychee martinis for that pretty little twisted number who's a murder groupie fulfilling weirdo fantasies in 'Monster" Lotsa LOCI examples actually, of "Candy is dandy/But liquor is quicker" (apologies to Ogden Nash) as a tool of the police investigator's trade;) |
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Post by Summerfield on Nov 1, 2006 23:07:08 GMT -5
Lychee martini's? What?
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Post by Techguy on Nov 1, 2006 23:34:32 GMT -5
Recipes vary--a lychee martini consists of vodka, lychee juice, and either lychee liquer or Triple Sec.
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Post by goreamesfan on Nov 1, 2006 23:55:37 GMT -5
I'm convinced that it's Goren, not VDO, looking bad. His hair is longer than it's been in a long time -- as though he hasn't had time or thought to get it cut. In some scenes, it's particularly messy -- almost standing on end. It's too obvious to be unintentional. And then I KNEW they were conveying something about Goren when he was having dinner with Beth and said she should get a book about grieving. "I can't remember the name of the book right now." WHAT??? Since when can't Goren remember the name of any book ever? OK, he ended up using it as a ploy to get her email address, but was it only for that reason? Or did Goren actually forget the title because of stress and fatigue and then turn it to his advantage? Beth would have shoved her email address (had she had one) down his pants if she thought it meant he'd write her; he didn't need an excuse to ask her for it. I thought that scene spoke volumes about what's going on with Bobby Goren. To me, he looks and acts like a man who is dealing with a LOT.
I need to watch this episode again because I didn't really understand the psychology behind the murder (it was late; I was tired). I did think I saw one instance of stalker cam, though: in the very beginning, when they first catch sight of Fife and the reporters, the camera hovers over the railing in an odd way. I know it isn't much, but it did seem somewhat consistent with earlier episodes this season. Maybe I imagined it.
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Post by Techguy on Nov 2, 2006 1:26:25 GMT -5
TVGuide episode review moved to Articles & Interviews
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Post by NikkiGreen on Nov 2, 2006 2:27:23 GMT -5
The plot was a little too obvious... Yes, it was. Not too much imagination. Frankly, I found myself bored more than a few times. I actually didn't tape this episode, grumble, but I'll try to write back later. You get a chance to tape this coming Saturday. NBC is reairing it at 9:00PM. |
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Post by Metella on Nov 2, 2006 8:09:52 GMT -5
It seemed to me that Goren did not forget the name of the book - you pointed out later that he needed/wanted her email addy to check on the emails that were sent out - so this was just his way of asking without directly asking .... if he asked her directly, it may have tipped her that she was being looked at for the murder again & closed her up.
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Post by sarahlee on Nov 2, 2006 9:32:41 GMT -5
Creepy, that's right techguy, this epi was dripping with creepy. Also, is it my mind making it all more complicated, or did anyone else see a creepy connection with the mom's "accidental" car wreck on Halloween, the anniversary of Amberleigh's death?
Oh, and "Sesame Log", goood one!
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Post by trisha on Nov 2, 2006 10:25:07 GMT -5
The connection with the car crash and Amber-Leigh's death was actually one of the overkill things for me. Nate's peering out the windows, and the general overacting of his part was also a killer. It felt a little SVU there at times.
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Post by mimi on Nov 2, 2006 10:40:55 GMT -5
I have Warren Leight's comment "Goren won't be the smartest guy in the room anymore" spinning in my head.
The feud between Ross and Goren over how the interrrogation should go did puzzle me.
Observer would be in a better position to comment on this, but I'll try anyway and she'll correct me if I'm wrong.
It takes at least 25 hours + 2 stops to travel from Vietnam to NY, so Goren had plenty of time to get a feel of Fife's personnality. By the time they arrived in NY, Goren would probably have known that something was off in Fife's attitude. Goren is someone who accumulates information even if he doesn't know how that information can be useful. And he knew that he was in charge of this case, so any information could be useful at that time
Even if they didn't get briefed about him, Goren is the kind of person who seems to size people's personnality even if they haven't done anything reprehensible...probably a residual "skill" he inherited from PTSD.
Then there's the quarrell between Ross and Goren. Goren was argueiing that he didn't want to draw a confession out of Fife.
Ross bluntly remind him to cover all bases and basically just do his job! Since when Goren needs to be told to do his job? In previous seasons he was always one step ahead than anyone else or we saw that something was brewing in his head.
Now Goren and by extension Eames are basically following orders. Ross seems to be the one who's one step ahead and he just leads G/E by the hand: go there; check this; do that! Storywise it makes a more linear plot; yet it's offsetted by more intertwined relationships between the characters.
I don't like this new Goren, which is kinda paradoxal because I didn't like the previous Goren either.
I don't like him on a different level: I don't like this new Goren because I can relate to him; I'm not used to watch from his perspective. Before, I didn't relate at all to Goren and ergo, watched with an external perspective and loved to watch that man unscramble the clues and make a (sometimes convoluted) arrest.
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untitled
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Stuff the Fluff! Save Goren & Eames!
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Post by untitled on Nov 2, 2006 13:37:01 GMT -5
.The biggest suprise for me was the mini blow out between Ross and Goren - I wonder if we will see more of those? Ross does seem to ram heads more with Goren than the others doens't he - I wonder why? Just a difference in their personal styles perhaps! - Surprise? I honestly dont' see how you would be surprised by this scene. I can see them coming to a head more often, not huge blow outs mind you - but little taffs where they don't see eye to eye. Loved Bobby's "date" with Beth although it was difficult to hear since my dog was barking at the doorbell on the TV, which is ironic since we don't have a doorbell. Loved Liza's bling, and the "please don't leave me" look he gave Eames. - Okay Liza creeps me out - and the whole date thing creeped me out. I missed Goran's look to Eames, I'll have to rewatch that scene. They already did a similar one in SVU - but I guess with what happened last year...why not L&O it again? |
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