Post by Marie on Jan 30, 2005 3:22:07 GMT -5
Vance;
Last week, I wrote a speculative post. You read it, and in turn posted a differing point of view. Everyone's certainly entitled to an opinion, indeed that does go without saying, I never thought you were doing otherwise and moreover, always understood your position right from the start; ie: you disagree. Fair enough, but it was an opinion that didn't change my own, and said as much in a subsequent rebuttle. And it would have ended there.
However you continued to post your views while engaging me on mine - despite having already made it quite clear that you didn't share them. At which point, it led me to think: "Woo-hoo! A DEBATE! Awlright..!"
For once it's obvious that two people disagree and have stated as much up front, ie: it's apples & oranges, the only thing left then "to" debate is how well one may or may not have argued their case. Which is how I subsequently tackled your posts when you continued to submit them. For thinking you wanted to play - why else were you bothering...? Surely not just to repeat yourself.
We know a good lawyer can set a guilty man free, and a bad one see an innocent man hang. And all just because one guy managed to successfully employ better reasoning, tactics and stratagems in the end. And like a lawyer arguing for his client, that was the game I was playing too! As a debate on point - just for the fun of it, to see if I could make a better case for my "apple" while exercising the "little grey cells" as Hercule termed it; chuckle! And ergo, why I looked for and noted any perceived flaws or weak points in your arguement etc. In order to counter them like deploying a better chess move.
So it was always about "how" you were going about it, how you were arguing your case. Not what you were arguing "about" - as that was always just an opinion which by nature is subjective, and thus cannot be debated.
I too think the "horse" is dead now; chuckle! In point of fact, I was finished beating it friday night; as I felt I'd moved my pieces well enough and argued my case with fewer mistakes, so as to justly claim I had your king. So I wasn't going to submit anymore posts about it. What I've written here, is simply a full and clear accounting of what I was doing and why, in case it wasn't understood by you or others.
Note: Sometimes I find it boring to repeatedly submit a straight forward opinion - "I love Vincent D'Onofrio! I think he's dreamy! I think he's the best actor on TV! I think he should get an Emmy! I love his character Det. Goren - I'd love to meet him in some alternate reality and get his views on art... wouldn't that be cool? Don't you agree? Don't you think he's awesome too?!" Because it's not like I didn't do THAT for years over at the Buffyworld Forums when I was pretending not to have to have an embarrassing crush on James Marsters: aka "Spike". Cough. Ahem. Which is why I like to mix it up with posts that are more mentally challenging. But in moderation; as over time, those get boring too.
For the record, I accept your point of view and respect it. Truly! Even though I debated you on how it was presented; as that's another thing entirely. And in the wake of evidence newly submitted (at least it's the first time I've heard of it) - ie: namely, that questions have been raised in the past about the validity of some of Wolf's statements pertaining to D'Onofrio - I feel it serves to muddy the waters to such an extent that I can't be sure now if season 4, and what we've seen of it thus far, isn't in fact as some have contended all along, 99% Balcer's doing.
Which would mean now that in addition to everything else, "Moody Broody Bobby Goren and his Melancholy Sax Solo" (laugh!) is indeed all Balcer's fault! And to the extent some are taking issue with that - for NOT enjoying it - yes; by all means direct your wrath at him! Grin! Me? I like the solo. But then I also love Billie Holiday - who at times can depress even the happiest person; chuckle!
And if in future, I ever start to play cyber-chess with someone who isn't up for it; not their cup of tea, not in the mood etc, please say so. I'll totally back-off and leave you in peace! Smile. As I endeavor never to give offense while looking to amuse myself.
Last week, I wrote a speculative post. You read it, and in turn posted a differing point of view. Everyone's certainly entitled to an opinion, indeed that does go without saying, I never thought you were doing otherwise and moreover, always understood your position right from the start; ie: you disagree. Fair enough, but it was an opinion that didn't change my own, and said as much in a subsequent rebuttle. And it would have ended there.
However you continued to post your views while engaging me on mine - despite having already made it quite clear that you didn't share them. At which point, it led me to think: "Woo-hoo! A DEBATE! Awlright..!"
For once it's obvious that two people disagree and have stated as much up front, ie: it's apples & oranges, the only thing left then "to" debate is how well one may or may not have argued their case. Which is how I subsequently tackled your posts when you continued to submit them. For thinking you wanted to play - why else were you bothering...? Surely not just to repeat yourself.
We know a good lawyer can set a guilty man free, and a bad one see an innocent man hang. And all just because one guy managed to successfully employ better reasoning, tactics and stratagems in the end. And like a lawyer arguing for his client, that was the game I was playing too! As a debate on point - just for the fun of it, to see if I could make a better case for my "apple" while exercising the "little grey cells" as Hercule termed it; chuckle! And ergo, why I looked for and noted any perceived flaws or weak points in your arguement etc. In order to counter them like deploying a better chess move.
So it was always about "how" you were going about it, how you were arguing your case. Not what you were arguing "about" - as that was always just an opinion which by nature is subjective, and thus cannot be debated.
I too think the "horse" is dead now; chuckle! In point of fact, I was finished beating it friday night; as I felt I'd moved my pieces well enough and argued my case with fewer mistakes, so as to justly claim I had your king. So I wasn't going to submit anymore posts about it. What I've written here, is simply a full and clear accounting of what I was doing and why, in case it wasn't understood by you or others.
Note: Sometimes I find it boring to repeatedly submit a straight forward opinion - "I love Vincent D'Onofrio! I think he's dreamy! I think he's the best actor on TV! I think he should get an Emmy! I love his character Det. Goren - I'd love to meet him in some alternate reality and get his views on art... wouldn't that be cool? Don't you agree? Don't you think he's awesome too?!" Because it's not like I didn't do THAT for years over at the Buffyworld Forums when I was pretending not to have to have an embarrassing crush on James Marsters: aka "Spike". Cough. Ahem. Which is why I like to mix it up with posts that are more mentally challenging. But in moderation; as over time, those get boring too.
For the record, I accept your point of view and respect it. Truly! Even though I debated you on how it was presented; as that's another thing entirely. And in the wake of evidence newly submitted (at least it's the first time I've heard of it) - ie: namely, that questions have been raised in the past about the validity of some of Wolf's statements pertaining to D'Onofrio - I feel it serves to muddy the waters to such an extent that I can't be sure now if season 4, and what we've seen of it thus far, isn't in fact as some have contended all along, 99% Balcer's doing.
Which would mean now that in addition to everything else, "Moody Broody Bobby Goren and his Melancholy Sax Solo" (laugh!) is indeed all Balcer's fault! And to the extent some are taking issue with that - for NOT enjoying it - yes; by all means direct your wrath at him! Grin! Me? I like the solo. But then I also love Billie Holiday - who at times can depress even the happiest person; chuckle!
And if in future, I ever start to play cyber-chess with someone who isn't up for it; not their cup of tea, not in the mood etc, please say so. I'll totally back-off and leave you in peace! Smile. As I endeavor never to give offense while looking to amuse myself.