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Post by musicwench on Oct 5, 2007 17:24:30 GMT -5
To me, there's more subtlety in some of those little scenes of VDO's or KE's than in almost anything you see on TV these days. One of my favorite moments is the scene with Jimmy in "Brother's Keeper." Just watch her face, and you'll see what I'm talking about. VDO was using very different intonation in his scenes with Eames/Erbe than he usually does. The "No!" in the first scene, the "We have to do this!"--very different than how he usually talks to her, almost like a parent with a child or a couple. I find their interaction more compelling (again) than most things on television. Yes, definitely. It's marvelous to watch them. I know there are people who just hate the idea of them as a couple and others who can't see them as anything else but a couple. I think the way the writers have worked it out you sort of see what you want to see. There are so many different layers there it's just incredible. VDO and KE are perfect for these roles because they both seem to excel at the subtle looks and small actions that make you see something beyond the obvious. What that is seems to be up to interpretation. |
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Post by DonnaJo on Oct 5, 2007 17:34:34 GMT -5
"Well.....after a loss...you know,....people...you know,... they...screw up."
I find this comment made by Goren to Eames in their SUV after the wake rather ominous. Like we are being set up for something down the road, in another episode.
Anyone see that?
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Post by ragincajun on Oct 5, 2007 17:37:52 GMT -5
Thinking about it more today, I have only one problem with the episode. Ok, I know that in real life Eames would never have been allowed on this case. It would have been a conflict of interest on so many levels. Having said that, it was the evidence locker scene that bothers me. I loved the "whack job" and the head thing...so very,very funny. My problem is with Goren leaving her to get the box of evidence, alone. I know that he had to go, but he could have stayed a few minutes more. She had to do this by herself...I thought it was insensitive... The scene with her going through the box, could have been done with someone present. She could have altered evidence and kept the man she thought was guilty, in jail. I know things are cataloged but things get lost... Goren was so great with her the whole episode and leaving her to deal with it alone bothered me. I had a friend go through a similar situation and I saw her deal with that pain. A wife alone with the things her husband last had on...to smell his shirt. My girlfriend did the same thing. I started crying last nite, because I hadn't thought of it in years. So it is not a biggie. Just a thought. Sorry for your friend. But Eames told him to go, she is Lead detective. Also I found it strange that the shirt was just lose in the box, wasn't in a bag or did I miss that, if it was lose, surely there wouldn't be any smell left to smell. But I know just holding the last thing he wore would be emotional. Also, Bobby's loss is still fresh in his mind, so maybe seeing her pain, might have been too much for him. |
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Post by Summerfield on Oct 5, 2007 17:54:16 GMT -5
DonnaJo, I agree. Foretelling? I think he speaks from experiance. Perhaps down the road, we'll see Goren come to grips with that one statement.
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Post by deathroe on Oct 5, 2007 18:04:58 GMT -5
Or "people screw up" could refer to how he has treated Eames in the past little while ...
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Post by obessesdwithci on Oct 5, 2007 18:16:49 GMT -5
Or "people screw up" could refer to how he has treated Eames in the past little while ... I agee deathroe i think he realises hw bad he treated her in S6 and it was a subtle way of him letting her know or maybe its just my take on it |
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Post by DonnaJo on Oct 5, 2007 18:48:36 GMT -5
Or "people screw up" could refer to how he has treated Eames in the past little while ... Maybe. But its the part about "after a loss" that I wonder about. He just lost his Mom, so how has he screwed up yet? Or maybe they are referring to Frank, who screws up after losing his Mom? I just wonder if the comment is setting us up for a future episode. |
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Post by deathroe on Oct 5, 2007 18:54:19 GMT -5
That's a good point, because Frank is coming back. So we hear ...  |
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Post by deathroe on Oct 5, 2007 18:58:14 GMT -5
You know, in all the other excitement, I'd sort of forgotten something at the heart of this episode: Eames' statement that getting revenge can never work. I can't remember the exact wording--going to watch the episode again in a bit--but I'm sure that it is somehow at the heart of the episode. Forgiveness, even. I'll have to watch again and think about this.
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Post by bringirl2001 on Oct 5, 2007 19:25:05 GMT -5
well i want to add that i enjoyed the eppy a lot--
I noticed what one of you said( I think it was ragincajun) who said that they wondered if the shirt alex was holding had any smell but didn't thik so-- well i can say from personal experience(my husband died 3 years ago) and i can STILL smell his own unique scene in his favorite cloth recliner that he alwasy sat in---- even if it is just a whiff- i think once you are used to smelling someone or relating to them like that-- when she was in her husbands arms- no doubt he held her and she smelled his cologne or whatever-- but you can smell it- even years later-- maybe NOT 8 years later - like they were implying but i think it is just something a person would do- sniff his clothes-- i know i did-- and hey i still do when i somehow come across one of his old shirts- though i have long since put ALL his things away--- anyway-- i just wanted to comment--- also again i liked the whol eppy- of course i was happy bobby finally called her alex-- and loved the " whackjob" line esp. with the tics and facial motios-- i laughed out loud and i don't remember when the last time i did that in a LOCI eppy---
ps- i also think i will like logan's new temp partner-- she is in your face-- teehee
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Post by nwchimom on Oct 5, 2007 19:51:14 GMT -5
That wonderful conversation in the SUV made me realize that Eames is very lonely despite her close family. She said all the people at the house after the funeral used to be her good friends, but one by one they dropped away and she hadn't seen them in 8? years. She just sounded...lost and bereft. We think Goren has the market on loneliness and being a misfit, but perhaps he and Eames are more alike than what we see on the surface. Might be the reason they get along so well.
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Post by addicted2vdosgoren on Oct 5, 2007 21:05:50 GMT -5
Possibly stupid question/observation:
Are we to assume Eames did not get assigned a temporary partner while Goren's been away on leave?
She arrived at the hospital alone. I know she called Goren; I just wonder if she'd been working alone before this incident.
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Post by musicwench on Oct 5, 2007 21:34:22 GMT -5
Just my own assumption here but I think the time between Endgame and this episode isn't as long as it was in real time. Perhaps only a couple of weeks? I can't see Goren taking four months off like that.
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Post by untitled on Oct 5, 2007 21:35:28 GMT -5
I don't think that this was the same TBJ theme that I've heard before (I own the series). The instrumentation in that version was IMO simply thrilling. - They are the same song. TBJ's themeCI's themeEven that first shot with the buildings where it zooms by is from TBJ's intro. I would have rather if they were going to copy another theme, I'd rather it have been CI's theme from Channel 5 CI's theme from the UK- The song's by Rob Dougan (instrumental version of "There's Only Me") well i want to add that i enjoyed the eppy a lot-- I noticed what one of you said( I think it was ragincajun) who said that they wondered if the shirt alex was holding had any smell but didn't thik so-- well i can say from personal experience(my husband died 3 years ago) and i can STILL smell his own unique scene in his favorite cloth recliner that he alwasy sat in---- even if it is just a whiff- i think once you are used to smelling someone or relating to them like that. - Scents can be quite powerful, they say familiar ones can trigger memories. My mother passed away when I was 14 (7 years ago) and I have some of her things from the day she died and I can still smell her perfume on them. So yes I would say she could still smell him from it. Just my own assumption here but I think the time between Endgame and this episode isn't as long as it was in real time. Perhaps only a couple of weeks? I can't see Goren taking four months off like that. - I agree, I doubt it was even a month. Maybe like 2-3 weeks, or even that. |
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Post by Summerfield on Oct 5, 2007 21:50:20 GMT -5
Uh...I don't recall Goren mistreating Eames in any of the episodes.
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