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Post by annabelleleigh on Jul 1, 2008 11:22:26 GMT -5
I haven't had a chance to see the episode yet - and I no longer post at this site for reasons of my own But as someone who has been a very loyal and staunch fan of Logan's I must say that Annabelleleight's comments are very offensive and out of place. She and some others may not CARE for Logan one bit but there are those of us that do. My apologies, M-Rocks but I'm afraid you've misread me -- and I'll take full responsibility for that. Logan is a terrific character, and Noth is superb in this role. What surprised me about "Assassins" is that no one had commented about it on this site a day after it first aired -- as though the L/W episodes weren't worth discussing. The apparent lack of interest was jarring. When comments did begin to appear it was clear that consensus here is that "Assassins" was lackluster. Every episode since "Purgatory" has been deemed a jumble or a yawn -- and since "Assassins" aired after the announcement of Noth's exit -- I guessed that perhaps members were now focused much more on looking ahead to the new Goldblum character and a new showrunner (who will re-herd the writers.) For the record, I'd say "Contract" and "Assassins" were unworthy of Mikey. AL
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Post by mikeyrocks on Jul 1, 2008 11:30:24 GMT -5
Whatever her intent dragonsback - a little tact and discretion goes a long way - I didn't see either practiced there at all - I saw out and out insensitivity and a total disregard for a certain segment of the fanbase. I saw ASSASSINATIONNice to know that Noth is looking so well and rested - I'm truly happy for him in that regard. Also no sour grapes about him leaving the show - I would just like to see the character leave with the respect and dignity he deserves I would also like Warren Leight to finish out this season - and not have his wonderful legacy tarnished by such segmentation. And for the record I thought Contract was BRILLIANT but this is not the time or place for it. That was my personal reaction to the episode - When it comes to ART I don't put much stock into words like consensus - seems their intent is often to cancel out and stifle personal expression and freedom of thought.
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Post by dragonsback on Jul 1, 2008 12:17:33 GMT -5
Whatever her intent dragonsback - a little tact and discretion goes a long way - I didn't see either practiced there at all - I saw out and out insensitivity and a total disregard for a certain segment of the fanbase. I saw ASSASSINATIONMikey, sorry you still feel so indignant about Annabelle's remarks, , which I thought were just as she says - trying to get some discussion rolling on a Logan ep that was roundly ignored by everyone here (me too) in the ep discussion thread. IMO, Annabelle was indeed sensitive - to a Logan ep being ignored. In other words, she was 180 degrees away from 'total disregard'. Lotta total disregard when no one brought up this Logan ep, and I believe Annabelle was trying to give Logan/Noth some air time. When Assassin didn't appear in the thread after the 29th, I scratched my Australian head: did I get the airdate in the USA wrong? I too claim to be part of that 'certain segment of the fanbase' that cleaves to Logan/Noth with affection and close attention. Been a Noth fan from Mothership days. You and I may take Annabelle's observations in two different ways - personally, I am strongly positive about them - but in any case we occupy the same pro CN/Logan territory Looked great, SOUNDED great. Noth was knocking 'em dead in every apperance, every sound bite. To me, that's a real concern. Only Wolf and the writers control this one. I hope that it's not - as some TV critics suggest it may be - just an inconsequential departure, a fade. I'd like it to be in style. I
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Post by annabelleleigh on Jul 1, 2008 12:27:46 GMT -5
...Also no sour grapes about him leaving the show - I would just like to see the character leave with the respect and dignity he deserves I agree. I don't know any CI fan who disagrees (though of course I don't get around the Internet like I once did). As a person who assiduously resists being stifled herself, I couldn't agree with you more about personal expression and freedom of thought. That "art" is a product or concept wholly independent of "consensus" I consider a fact. Again, all I did was observe the surprising lack of interest in "Assassins" on Monday morning, on this site. That's why I started the thread -- to gin up some comments. I'm disappointed that you seem to choose staying angry at me, M-Rocks. We're really not saying anything at odds with each other. AL
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Post by mikeyrocks on Jul 1, 2008 12:46:05 GMT -5
Well then I suppose we will have to agree to disagree Annabelle - which in and of itself is fine.
You are of course entitled to your feelings and thoughts on the issue at hand - as I'm I .
But I will continue to feel that your initial post - was phrased in a rather undiplomatic and negative vein - I found your choice of semantics to be phrased in a very harsh manner and therefore I must admit to being rather disappointed as well.
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Post by diablodeblanco on Jul 1, 2008 13:45:47 GMT -5
I thought that hairstyle of earlier episodes was a good look for him. Wish it was back.....
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Post by Patcat on Jul 1, 2008 14:52:47 GMT -5
I haven't posted any comments because I haven't had a chance to see this episode yet.
I thought Annabelle was making a comment about the lack of postings, and trying to do so in a light manner. I saw no insult to Mike Logan or Chris Noth, just an observation. The fact is that the Logan episodes don't generate as many postings as Goren/Eames.
Unfortunately for the Logan episodes, I suspect many of us on this board have a bigger spot in our hearts for Eames and Goren. It's just that we have more invested in them.
I certainly appreciate that Mr. Noth again took on the role of Mike Logan. It may have saved Mr. D'Onofrio's health and made it possible for more Goren/Eames episodes. But I've also come to really like and appreciate his work as Mike Logan. And, after an awkward start, the Logan episodes became very good--in the case of SENSELESS, great. As I wrote elsewhere, I'm sorry to see him go. I was just getting to know him.
I don't have any bad feelings towards Mr. Noth in leaving. He's played the role for 19 years. He has a new baby. The center of his life doesn't seem to be located in New York City. He has a lot of other interests besides acting. I don't think his decision to leave was based only on money, perhaps not based on that all. I imagine the partner changes and the sense he was on the second team might have contributed to some unease on his part, but if Mr. Noth ever felt that, he did a brilliant job of hiding it. I appreciate his work and hope he gets a great sendoff.
My two bits, and then some.
Patcat
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Post by DonnaJo on Jul 1, 2008 14:55:59 GMT -5
I thought that hairstyle of earlier episodes was a good look for him. Wish it was back..... Me too, diab. I had forgotten about the Roman helmet cut until DB mentioned it. Maybe not as short, since his face lately is heavier. But definitely a look that he should reconsider. Perhaps with a little Grecian Formula thrown in? Since we're being shallow, let's not leave the ladies out. Is it me, but does Julianne's hair look a little too short? For some reason, this cut makes her neck look about a foot long. She may be thinner too, which is odd post prego.
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Post by diablodeblanco on Jul 1, 2008 17:48:02 GMT -5
I thought that hairstyle of earlier episodes was a good look for him. Wish it was back..... Me too, diab. I had forgotten about the Roman helmet cut until DB mentioned it. Maybe not as short, since his face lately is heavier. But definitely a look that he should reconsider. Perhaps with a little Grecian Formula thrown in? Since we're being shallow, let's not leave the ladies out. Is it me, but does Julianne's hair look a little too short? For some reason, this cut makes her neck look about a foot long. She may be thinner too, which is odd post prego. Perhaps I should "meow" before I start in here.....MEOW. That said, I can't help myself but every time I see Wheeler she reminds me of Peter Pan sans the green suit.
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Post by maherjunkie on Jul 1, 2008 18:52:05 GMT -5
Yeah, like she's the SAndy Duncan of the millienium.
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Post by Summerfield on Jul 1, 2008 19:36:22 GMT -5
I'll step out on a limb, but the reason there wasn't much discussion on this episode was, well it wasn't that good. It had nothing to do with Noth leaving, it was just a lackluster episode and the folks on this board didn't feel compelled to comment, in my opinion.
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Post by outerbankschick on Jul 3, 2008 16:39:03 GMT -5
Whatever her intent dragonsback - a little tact and discretion goes a long way - I didn't see either practiced there at all - I saw out and out insensitivity and a total disregard for a certain segment of the fanbase. I saw ASSASSINATIONNice to know that Noth is looking so well and rested - I'm truly happy for him in that regard. Also no sour grapes about him leaving the show - I would just like to see the character leave with the respect and dignity he deserves I would also like Warren Leight to finish out this season - and not have his wonderful legacy tarnished by such segmentation. And for the record I thought Contract was BRILLIANT but this is not the time or place for it. That was my personal reaction to the episode - When it comes to ART I don't put much stock into words like consensus - seems their intent is often to cancel out and stifle personal expression and freedom of thought. I would like to see a good finish for Logan, too, Mikey. I really don't want them to do some kind of big, dramatic exit where he loses it and pops some idiot again. I think they should give this much loved character the respectful sendoff he deserves. I'm sure going to miss him, too! I was so psyched when he came back to L&O and reprised his character. I had only just gotten into CI in the middle of Season 3, so for me, the back and forth has been less jarring, I suppose. I confess to being completely obsessed with Bobby. ;D But I also love Mike Logan and Chris Noth has always done an awesome job portraying him. As a younger man, he was cocky and cute, and though he swaggers a bit less these days, he's still cute!
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Post by outerbankschick on Jul 3, 2008 16:45:11 GMT -5
I'll step out on a limb, but the reason there wasn't much discussion on this episode was, well it wasn't that good. It had nothing to do with Noth leaving, it was just a lackluster episode and the folks on this board didn't feel compelled to comment, in my opinion. I liked the episode, but there wasn't a lot of depth, which is what makes for such "meaty" discussions of some of the other episodes. Like "Senseless", which was amazing! I hate the PC trap our society has fallen into these days with a passion that is only equalled by my obsession with Bobby Goren, and that's saying a lot! I think this story could have been written better, and with a lot more passion, if worries about being PC and not ruffling feathers weren't a concern. And Bella being the one behind the assination attempts wasn't really a twist at all. I pegged her as being involved quickly, I just didn't realize she was involved in both of them. I figured she had had her brother killed to get back at him for trying to have her killed the first time. So to find out that she was responsible for both killings was a surprise to me. But a much better twist would have been if it had been the niece. . . That said, I think Logan and Wheeler's interrogation scene with the French-Canadian suspect was great. Especially when Wheeler uttered those fateful words "extraordinary rendition. . .we've never heard of you. . ." I thought that poor guy was going to pee his pants.
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Post by outerbankschick on Jul 3, 2008 16:46:47 GMT -5
Yeah, like she's the SAndy Duncan of the millienium. THAT'S IT!! Give that lady a ceeegar!
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Post by Patcat on Jul 3, 2008 21:08:17 GMT -5
Hey, I have Wheeler's haircut! Don't look nearly as good in it, though.
Patcat
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