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Post by ragincajun on Jul 13, 2008 10:41:59 GMT -5
I've had heard about the waitress thing but thought it was vague as "freak in the bed" could mean anything. Since there are so many freaks on the internet who claim to know Vincent I wasn't sure how far to take it. Oh yeah, this ep sucks! Snore, snore. Dang, maybe I should return my Fredricks of Hollywood stuff I bought just in case I would run into VDO . Just kidding.
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Post by maherjunkie on Jul 13, 2008 10:55:18 GMT -5
Keep it. You might run into James Carville.
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Post by diablodeblanco on Jul 13, 2008 11:58:13 GMT -5
I don't know if anyone else has already suggested this, apologies if they have. I just wanted to add another possible explanation with regard to the character development and direction. For 4/5 years we got little glimpses of the characters personal story that were never really explored and then came what some may describe as a soapy/angst overload and while I'm still undecided as to whether this was a good thing or not, I for one feel compelled to see where it end's. It occurred to me that maybe the foreboding shadow that hung over the shows future may have caused the sudden rush to revisit and tie up these aspects of LOCI. With the show possibly on the brink of cancellation, cast and crew change on more than one occasion, maybe the writers/cast felt the urge/obligation to finish something they had started. I would have been disappointed had LOCI ended with these aspects of the characters and show never being resolved, I just wish it had been more gradual. That's an excellent take on what we all have been watching. I along with others have indeed felt "rushed" along almost hurrying to get something finished before its deadline. Small mouthfuls would have been easier to digest instead we were pretty much stuffed with all the personal information. OTOH, I can think of several TV series that have ended abruptly due to cancellation. Most have been new shows that just didn't attract enough viewers. Love this back and forth with so many opinions and insights.
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Post by DonnaJo on Jul 13, 2008 12:02:01 GMT -5
These rumors about VDO are very old news. I would hope that no one here would take it all for anything other than info we could use to explain how Vincent approaches his characterization of Goren. That was my point.
Personally, I could care less about VDO's past proclivities. Right now, the man is happily married with a beautiful, healthy family. He looks better than ever (in person, as himself). If I had known that there were some of you who were unaware of these rumors, I wouldn't have mentioned the "possibles" that I did in my post.
And if Vincent took any of his painful, lonely, estranged past experiences and tapped into them to improve his acting, that's fine, IMO
Ragin, what man wouldn't want to see a woman decked out in Frederick's of Hollywood attire? ;D
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Post by maherjunkie on Jul 13, 2008 12:20:17 GMT -5
I knew them, just had forgotten them and wasn't sure there was any real substance.
I happily know nothing about James Carville's proclivities either, just poking at ragin's location/moniker.
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Post by dragonsback on Jul 13, 2008 12:20:43 GMT -5
These rumors about VDO are very old news. I would hope that no one here would take it all for anything other than info we could use to explain how Vincent approaches his characterization of Goren. That was my point. Personally, I could care less about VDO's past proclivities. Right now, the man is happily married with a beautiful, healthy family. He looks better than ever (in person, as himself). If I had known that there were some of you who were unaware of these rumors, I wouldn't have mentioned the "possibles" that I did in my post. And if Vincent took any of his painful, lonely, estranged past experiences and tapped into them to improve his acting, that's fine, IMO[/b] Ragin, what man wouldn't want to see a woman decked out in Frederick's of Hollywood attire? ;D[/quote] Point taken, Donna, and a good point it is, too. The first point, that is. About the Frederick's thing - I think it depends on the woman. I just flashed on myself wearing that gear, and I'm tellin' ya, it was NOT a fetching image ;D ;D ;D
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Post by ragincajun on Jul 13, 2008 12:36:15 GMT -5
These rumors about VDO are very old news. I would hope that no one here would take it all for anything other than info we could use to explain how Vincent approaches his characterization of Goren. That was my point. Personally, I could care less about VDO's past proclivities. Right now, the man is happily married with a beautiful, healthy family. He looks better than ever (in person, as himself). If I had known that there were some of you who were unaware of these rumors, I wouldn't have mentioned the "possibles" that I did in my post. And if Vincent took any of his painful, lonely, estranged past experiences and tapped into them to improve his acting, that's fine, IMO Ragin, what man wouldn't want to see a woman decked out in Frederick's of Hollywood attire? ;D My point really was, in the privacy of their own bedroom, two consenting adults hey have at it. Now if it was with minor kids, I would be furious. But everyone has their fantasies, I am sure a lot of men dream of women in leather and after years of marriage who doesn't need to spice things up once in while. But it should be private. I think these girls and I say girls, because for sure they aren't women, if they have to spill the beans, if it is true, which I think not. Why don't I think its true? Well If I was with VDO, and really cared, I wouldn't spread it to the world, it would be private. If I wasn't with him and just wanted attention and to be envied, I would make it up. Who can prove I am lieing? VDO doesn't do press, he doesn't defend himself. Makes him the perfect patsy.
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Post by quietfireca on Jul 13, 2008 12:42:50 GMT -5
Besides, as Greevey tells Logan in Season 1, Episode 7 of the original Law and Order--"You can never know someone else's story" Hey Deathroe, your Greevey quote spun me off on another track… When I teach art journaling here is something I suggest: You never know something until you draw it. You never know someone else’s story till you write it. You can never begin to know your own story till you write it. Ya, ya, simplistic for this crowd, but food for thought. It's a way of encouraging better observational skills. Don't assume I'm an expert on this! Vbg. I wonder how "detecting" skills fit into or complement this?
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Post by deathroe on Jul 13, 2008 12:59:56 GMT -5
Oh, my goodness, I LOVE IT. I sometimes have my students "draw" literary scenes, because especially with early literature, there's so much going on that they don't have quite the grasp on the details they think they do. (Incidentally, I feel like the same could be said of CI. The early episodes are full of little details that you can keep track of. And of course there are all those early-season episodes where art is featured ...)
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Post by deathroe on Jul 13, 2008 13:04:20 GMT -5
and a very fair one! I see what you're saying--knowing how an artist's story influenced his creative life is at the very least open to speculation. I was thinking over and over about this after I posted. Two hours later I caught myself looking at celebrity mugshots on the Smoking GUN! I wonder if we can ever get away from it. :/
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Post by deathroe on Jul 13, 2008 13:06:05 GMT -5
At the very least, "Renewal" seemed crazy influenced by the impending cancellation. Maybe they talked Noth into an extra year?
As to "Endgame"--I'm thinking that could have gone either way?
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Post by quietfireca on Jul 13, 2008 14:44:07 GMT -5
Oh, my goodness, I LOVE IT. I sometimes have my students "draw" literary scenes, because especially with early literature, there's so much going on that they don't have quite the grasp on the details they think they do. (Incidentally, I feel like the same could be said of CI. The early episodes are full of little details that you can keep track of. And of course there are all those early-season episodes where art is featured ...) Hey Deathroe - I love the sound of "drawing" literary scenes, but could you define early literature (how early?). And are the students suppose to do historical research about the time period, close their eyes and imagine the detail in a room? I wanna be in your class! That kind of analysis sounds like what a lot of us are doing with LOCI. No wonder you have so may perspectives on what is happening in each epi! (pardon if my literature questions are ignorant - a science degree sucked up a lot of my life - but hey, it kept me employed for a long time! – and it’s that background that makes me roll my eyes when the woman forger in Art (Season 1) talks about the context of someone painting at the dawn of the “Machine Age” being totally different from a woman painting at the dawn of the Cyber age. Goren and Eames reacted just like I did! Perhaps I’m not artist enough to appreciate her words. Lol!)
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Post by diablodeblanco on Jul 13, 2008 15:30:59 GMT -5
and a very fair one! I see what you're saying--knowing how an artist's story influenced his creative life is at the very least open to speculation. I was thinking over and over about this after I posted. Two hours later I caught myself looking at celebrity mugshots on the Smoking GUN! I wonder if we can ever get away from it. :/ Well guys, I guess I'm one of "those people" who enjoy a little gossip. It may not be the high road that many profess to take but I enjoy standing at the checkout killing time reading the cover stories of the mags and papers while I wait for the bag boy to put my fresh fruit under the can goods. Do I believe what I read?......no, of course not. But I enjoy the reading. Pretty much the same goes for what I see at various sites on the internet. (Diablo waving from the low road to other posters way up on the high road) Hey where was that celebrity mug shot website?? LOL
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Post by quietfireca on Jul 13, 2008 16:00:42 GMT -5
Well guys, I guess I'm one of "those people" who enjoy a little gossip. It may not be the high road that many profess to take but I enjoy standing at the checkout killing time reading the cover stories of the mags and papers while I wait for the bag boy to put my fresh fruit under the can goods. Do I believe what I read?......no, of course not. But I enjoy the reading. Pretty much the same goes for what I see at various sites on the internet. (Diablo waving from the low road to other posters way up on the high road) Hey where was that celebrity mug shot website?? LOL I worry enough about Robert Goren - I don't need to know about VDO. By the way, if you were to buy a painting, how much thought and analysis would you put into the artist who painted it?? I like looking at photos, too..... ;D
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Post by ragincajun on Jul 13, 2008 16:08:49 GMT -5
Well guys, I guess I'm one of "those people" who enjoy a little gossip. It may not be the high road that many profess to take but I enjoy standing at the checkout killing time reading the cover stories of the mags and papers while I wait for the bag boy to put my fresh fruit under the can goods. Do I believe what I read?......no, of course not. But I enjoy the reading. Pretty much the same goes for what I see at various sites on the internet. (Diablo waving from the low road to other posters way up on the high road) Hey where was that celebrity mug shot website?? LOL I worry enough about Robert Goren - I don't need to know about VDO. By the way, if you were to buy a painting, how much thought and analysis would you put into the artist who painted it?? I like looking at photos, too..... ;D Well I have banned Woody Allen after what he did. I don't watch anything he is involved with. I might be considered a hypocrite because of it, but that's how I feel.
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