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Post by diablodeblanco on Jul 13, 2008 16:28:28 GMT -5
Not much for paintings but I looooove decoys. Have about 40. When I prepare to buy one, I deal with reputable dealers who have been around a long time. Experts who won't jeopardize their reputations for a buck. I already am familiar with the carver so that takes some guesswork out of it. As to how much thought.......if I like it, the condition is acceptable, the species is of interest and the price is fair....I buy it.
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Post by diablodeblanco on Jul 13, 2008 16:35:21 GMT -5
Never cared for Woody Allen. Just didn't think he was funny. I guess we share the same thought. I refuse to watch some actors because of their behavior that I have personally found to be offensive or disturbing.
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Post by deathroe on Jul 13, 2008 16:51:34 GMT -5
Diablo, not that I don't enjoy the scuttlebutt (I honestly, sincerely do). It's just that-arrrgh, I don't know. As I say, I felt differently about it when I read scuttlebutt about myself on the internet (not trying to self-aggrandize, just saying).
I am not especially holier than thou at all, I don't think, but I'm afraid I do have certain lines that you can cross, at least in person. For personalities, that line seems even less set. I do know I saw Tina Fey on some show calling Paris Hilton a "piece of sh*t"--and even though I'd really been enjoying 30 Rock I had to stop watching. I suppose that there are two linked issues: (1) how people fulfill their needs, much of which is self-infliction and (2) what they choose to inflict on others. I don't want to patronize people whom I know treat others badly (even if it is poor old Paris). I think the same argument could be made re Woody Allen's treatment of Mia Farrow, or whatever ... lots of grey areas, I'm thinking.
By the way, decoys sound like such a cool thing to collect. I'm kind of jealous, man!
Also, quick OT note on quietfireca's question:
Classical and medieval are particularly detail-laden. It isn't even so much that you need to understand the history as that there is tons and tons of signifying detail. My theory is that if they draw and express these things on their own terms they will start to understand how these complex literatures work.
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Post by susan1212 on Jul 14, 2008 20:54:57 GMT -5
I loved this episode, even though it was out of sync with the personal stories of G & E. I viewed it as a stand alone episode. Robert's last comment "Yeah, well they had kids too" was interesting. I don't think he ever felt the need to say why he lied to a gun-wielding, hostage- holding, murderer before. I wonder what that means, if anything.
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Post by outerbankschick on Jul 14, 2008 21:42:40 GMT -5
I took that last line as a retort to Marla's whining about how she thought he was her friend. As though she was so much more important than the people she killed. It was all about her and the fact that she wanted her son to get into the school so her MIL would be proud of her, or at least stop haranguing her at every turn.
So I saw that as Bobby's way of saying that those other people had children, too, and they mattered just as much. She was no better, or more important, and she had no right to take their lives.
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Post by susan1212 on Jul 14, 2008 23:05:22 GMT -5
Oh I agree, Outerbanks. I just wonder why he felt the need to say it. We knew he was just trying to get her to hand over the gun, not be her friend. In the past, he would have walked away without explanation.(ie "Phantom","Yesterday"), But just the fact that he explained it, was different. Subtle, but different. Was he feeling guilty for lying to a criminal? Is he questioning his own methods?
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Post by quietfireca on Jul 15, 2008 0:19:02 GMT -5
I agree Susan, the comment at the end definitely stood out to me, too. I thought it was strange they wrote that in. Now I'm starting to question why it was there, thanks to you all! Since when has Goren ever felt he needed to explain his methods? (or maybe this is the post-Purgatory Goren - okay, okay, technically it isn't) Maybe it was just a comment of disgusted release as he came off an adrenaline high. Can you imagine what his heart-rate would have been? And he'd need a gallon of water just to start....
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Post by Techguy on Jul 15, 2008 0:39:26 GMT -5
I don't get Goren's comment in the finale either; the entire confrontation scene with Marla was fake and underwhelming to me. Watching it I recalled how, in "Chinoserie" from Season 2, Goren confronted Mrs. Mobray with her part in Annie Ming Littleton's murder, and later commented how the victim was "one of a kind." In that earlier episode Goren came across with more conviction and credibility with resonance to what had gone on before, and so I experienced sadness and regret at the loss of life. In contrast, I felt empty, confused, and ultimately disappointed by what went down in "Please Note...Kissinger" with little connection to the lives of the parents Marla murdered. It's a bad sign indeed when an episode, especially a final scene, disconnects me from the murder victims and diminishes the importance of their lives and deaths.
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Post by djcifan on Jul 15, 2008 4:41:59 GMT -5
Yes, newbie here, although I used to post on another LOCI board. Just one quick comment to add to all of the many insightful comments here - my biggest disappointment was that the mother in law DIDN'T do it. Jessica Walter was so marvelous, it would have been so much more fun to have had her be the perpetrator. Instead of the whiny wimpy blond loser twenty something, it could have been the MIL (I can almost hear the explanation, 'well that dumb blond couldn't do anything right, I had to take matters into my own hands and make sure my grandson was given his proper education.') And the entire method of figuring out who was on the list and who went there, I found it hard to believe the blond could have been that logical and organized. So instead of Goren having a weak aria with the wimp, he could have enjoyed sharp repartee with the MIL (Ms Walter chewing the scenery and spitting it out) until he finally got her to admit her wrong doing. Ah so often anymore I watch an episode and think of what could have been . . .
Also agree, nice break from the angst, but the story could have been better written. When the mother with the dog and carriage was shot, it was broad daylight in Central park and NO ONE was around to at least hear the shot? Are you kidding me? Nightime, ok, no one hears anything then lol even if they really do, but I laughed out loud at that scene.
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Post by Metella on Jul 15, 2008 7:23:24 GMT -5
djcifan - oh, right ! I couldn't put my finger on it until you just wrote it .... the character of the blonde just wasn't deep enough to have stalked, staked out and figured out all the parents & where they would be ...... thanks as that unease was just put to rest. I totally agree with that - it was just not in how they set her character up. These writers either need more time with a script or need to refresh some of their skills. It does shine (or ooze) through when things are not cogent.
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Post by GorensGirl on Jul 15, 2008 15:39:20 GMT -5
I really enjoyed the episode, but I found the idea of someone killing to get their child into preschool really bizarre and unrealistic. Also the married men having flings thing seemed sort of gratuitous.
But overall I liked it. I don't understand when Goren and Eames made up, but it was nice to see some of the old camraderie. I enjoyed Goren talking the woman down and the way Eames was able to get the kids out.
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Post by outerbankschick on Jul 15, 2008 17:33:01 GMT -5
Hmmm. . .about that parting line. . .
Maybe Bobby is starting to worry about what a good manipulator he is. That'd be interesting, wouldn't it?
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Post by quietfireca on Jul 15, 2008 18:04:21 GMT -5
Very interesting. That kind of introspection could wreck his confidence. But maybe that's already crumbling between the suspension, Eames "ripping him a new one" (as it was so quaintly put earlier) and the rat.
Oh, dear, I could put him in worse shape than the writers! Note to self: stop now.
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Post by deathroe on Jul 15, 2008 18:30:17 GMT -5
New school CI gratuitous? Surely you jest!
--Death "still mentally scarred by those Dana makeout scenes in Depths" Roe
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Post by susan1212 on Jul 15, 2008 18:38:15 GMT -5
Hmmm. . .about that parting line. . . Maybe Bobby is starting to worry about what a good manipulator he is. That'd be interesting, wouldn't it? Yes, it would be interesting! I wonder what the writers would do with that! Perhaps quietfireca is right... "Maybe it was just a comment of disgusted release as he came off an adrenaline high." It does make sense. And maybe it was just a reminder from the writers of the real victims, who weren't explored very much during the epi, as Techguy touched on. I probably am looking for something that's not there, but it was different.
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