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Post by maherjunkie on Oct 8, 2005 12:40:31 GMT -5
I too thought this ep was a snoozefest. Yes, Logan is a hothead, but his gift is HE LOOKS GOOD doing it. Can't wait till Sunday to see Goren in that labcoat. Barek will have to grow on me too. I agree she kinda humanized Logan for a moment there.
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Post by LOCIfan on Oct 9, 2005 15:50:37 GMT -5
There's a rather telling interview with Ms. Sciorra posted over in the Articles & Interviews thread which may explain why some of us found Barek somewhat flat in her debut.
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Post by notty on Oct 14, 2005 18:54:48 GMT -5
I like how half of you have decided after one episode that you don't like Logan and Barek.
Come on, people.
And why all the talk of Barek anyway? She's just a supporting character, as Eames is a supporting character.
You want two titles? Law and Order: Bobby Goren, Law and Order: Mike Logan. These two make the show go.
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Post by trisha on Oct 15, 2005 9:43:29 GMT -5
Welcome to the board, notty I think that about half the people I see hating Barek and Logan were closed to the idea of their team being half of CI before we ever even saw them. I like Logan a lot, and I'm so glad that they picked a firecracker like him to punch up CI. I guess I rather hoped to see Barek have some spark to her, too. I love, love, love strong female characters, but am often disappointed by the ones that make it to prime time. Most are either cartoonish, contrived, or boring. Eames, to me, is the perfect blend of beauty, brains, strength, and charisma. I just adore her. And, while I agree that she's a secondary character to Goren, I don't think she has to be and I think Prisoner proved that. I haven't closed my mind to Barek. I just didn't find her very interesting, and I won't cut the show runners/actors any slack for an uninteresting character, even if she is secondary. I have to say, in their defense, that Goren didn't fascinate me from day one, either. It was a gradual build up of bits and pieces from episode to episode. It wasn't really until the episode Phantom that I really took notice of him (and the rest of the show because of him.) Before that, I just had CI on in the background. What bothered me about Logan in this episode was the monologues about his past. They were so forced. I get that it was something some of the viewers would need to understand Logan, but it didn't sound, to me, like something the character would actually say. I hope that if we hear more about Logan's past, it's not in the form of a speech made to suspects. Bla
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Post by notty on Oct 15, 2005 19:17:36 GMT -5
Hi, Trisha, thanks for the welcome. I agree with you. I like to see strong female characters, too. I like Eames quite a lot. I often wonder how she suffers Goren. lol I don't like or dislike Barek, because it's too soon to really know her. But I would like to get to know her. Problem is, their partners are just too dynamic for the partnerships to be equal. Goren and Logan are proactive, Eames and Barek are reactive. Goren and Eames have a nice yin-yang working relationship, but I feel Goren could crack 95 percent of the cases without Eames and not vice-versa. I also agree Diamond Dogs was a somewhat uninspired episode with clunky exposition, but there were some moments, really great moments, that have me excited. Also, its not like there are two entirely separate creative teams working this show. Good things will come. I think if everyone will just give Law and Order: Mike Logan a chance, they'll be pleasantly surprised. Lily
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Post by NicoleMarie on Oct 15, 2005 20:30:57 GMT -5
I gave Mike Logan a chance on the mothership. I hated him then, and I hate him now because he's the same "person" on CI that hated on the mothership.
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Post by mischa on Oct 19, 2005 0:05:02 GMT -5
I am sure that the producers of the show are going to hear from a lot of irate parents of special needs children. The use of the word "retarded" was rather archaic. I would imagine that they will hear from a lot of people that the terms used these days are "special needs", "intellectually challenged", "intellectually disabled", "mentally handicapped", etc. As a special education teacher, I know I found the use of the term rather offensive .. enough to find this web site so I could spout off anyway lolol. Actually to clairify something here: "A person with a mental disability," ss what people [should] use now days.
On this episode: I just couldn't sit through more than 10 minutes of it without screaming! I absolutely love Annabella Sciorra (Detective Barek), in almost everything else she has been in. She has the most amazing voice, and has delivered such good performances in the past, that I was stunned at how badly she acted. Was it just a bad charactor? Or something else that made her appear so flat?
As for Detective Logan (Noth), I always found him to be an interesting charactor. I loved him on the original, but I wish he NEVER came to Major Case! If Chris Noth could have come onto the show, and play a different charactor I would have been much happier.
While 'their' episodes are not a complete lost cause, I will try not to watch them. If one is on, and I'm watching TV so be it: I'll try and sit through another episode praying these new charactors hold my interest.
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Post by blucougar57 on Mar 1, 2006 0:24:28 GMT -5
I apologise in advance if I'm rehashing anyone else's comments, but I saw this ep just a few weeks ago, and this is my first chance to comment on it. Having seen Chris Noth perform as Logan ONLY in 'Stress Position' and in 'In the Wee Small Hours', I wasn't entirely sure how I was going to like a CI episode with Goren nowhere in sight. Especially considering some of the less than positive reviews.
I'm relieved to say that I loved the episode, and I am rapidly coming to love the character of Logan, in the context of Criminal Intent. I enjoyed watching him operate, and I enjoyed watching the beginnings of a fledgling partnership between him and Barek.
My favourite moment was the interrogation at the end, when Barek dragged out Logan's past as a comparison to get the kid's trust. The look Logan gave Barek was absolutely beautiful - he was truly p***ed.
And, I may be mistaken, but I don't ever recall Deakins yelling at Bobby and Alex the way he did at Logan and Barek in that episode.
All in all, I found it very enjoyable, and I think I can safely say I'm glad I was willing to give the new format a chance.
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Post by rosemary on Mar 2, 2006 17:15:39 GMT -5
Just watched "Diamond Dogs" for the first time today. Initially, I didn't want to watch the Logan/Barek eps. However, it wasn't that bad. Okay, the opening credits. Pan from police tape to covered corpse, pan to… Chris Noth's counterfeit. Well, it is difficult to accept for a professed Goren-lover. I was longing for the black and white reversed shot of my hero standing on the church pew. The plot was interesting enough for me to watch, however, the second half dragged a little too long for me. The first robbery/shooting scene was very intruiging to me, but the following were…difficult to say, repetitive, I presume. My first association was: This kid got problems with exhibition of connubial luck. To me, it has always been difficult to accept how people expose the fact that they are married for 20+ years as… the greatest thing on earth. It became especially painful to me, a *very* sensitive person, when I found out that in most cases known to me, this was a big LIE. The hubby was cheating and the wifey was on prescription drugs. Just one case… And "Diamond Dogs" did it in such an awful way. The family pictures *inside* the store, the woman who wouldn't part with her shot-dead husband…ugh. Barek mentioning Logan's mother…give me a break. It looked forced to me, same as for Barek's language skills. I read on the page that she is supposed to be a "Polish Catholic" (just like my humble person). But she doesn't look very Polish. She speaks Polish, but she names the language *after* Spanish and Italian. Well, if somebody asks me how many languages I speak I always name German and Polish first (followed by Danish, English, French, Italian and last but not least Russian. Does Latin count as a language?) Last thing: Logan. I like him somehow. Yes, he's violent. The concept is not strange to me. I have Eames' height, Goren's language skills and intrepidity with corpses, and I am a bully like Logan. But sadly, there's nothing Barek-like in me.
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Post by NicoleMarie on Mar 9, 2006 3:35:59 GMT -5
I watched about 15 minutes of this one and have basically skipped all other Logan/Barek shows. I flip the flip back to CI when Goren/Eames are on. I just realized that.
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Post by kawaiidragonfoe821 on Mar 9, 2006 10:00:41 GMT -5
There are a few L & B eps that I have enjoyed (i.e. 'Watch' 'Dollhouse'), as for the others, I turn them on for the sake of giving ratings (as long as something better isn't on, then they get the picture in picture treatment) but I'm usually doing something else while it is on. The main problem I have with the L & B episodes is they don't have that certain 'aire' that makes them re-watchable like the Goren & Eames episodes do.
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Post by NicoleMarie on Mar 9, 2006 16:58:02 GMT -5
I try to make a concious effort to give the Logan/Barek eps a look-see but I always end up watching Cold Case/Forensic Files, American Justice or E! True Hollywood Story instead. I tried to watch one ep all the way through and my cable went out befiore I could see any of it! LOL!
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Post by psychochik on Mar 9, 2006 17:04:44 GMT -5
Dollhouse was the episode that sealed Bareks fate. She has no personality !!! She is beyond boring, and I cant watch.
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Post by NicoleMarie on Mar 9, 2006 17:23:47 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with Barek, I have a problem with Logan.
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Post by kawaiidragonfoe821 on Mar 11, 2006 0:22:20 GMT -5
LOL I on the other hand have been a Logan fan sence his days on 'Mothership' (when I first started watching L&O, he was on. I actually stopped watching it for a while when he got 'exiled'). Goren is just so 'busy' that every time I watch one of his eps, he does something that I didn't notice before. I even see it in episodes that I've seen countless times.
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