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Post by Metella on Jun 27, 2006 7:38:06 GMT -5
There is just no evidence that they are more than friends and partners and it would be so very out of Goren character to have a relationship with his partner.
It is more likely that they would hook up with tangents - like Lenny and the ME, Goren and the other department's secretary all that stuff is reasonable.
I kind of get a little angry (in general - not at you above posters) when just because there is a male and female lead - romance is considered when there is nothing but mutual support to base it on. I prefer males for friends & I'm sure not all of them are "Jones-ing" for me. Gag, I hope not.
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Post by madger on Jun 27, 2006 8:12:16 GMT -5
I'm 5'8" and had a fling many years ago with a 5' guy, he was very well endowed, but his appeal was that he really, really loved women, he enjoyed our company, conversation, was genuinely interested, I can see how a man could charm so many women, I just don't see how Henry could. I love it when Goren plays the bully partner with Eames, they both seem to enjoy it when Goren shows respect and defference after bossing her around. They do that in several epis. madger
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Post by Eléana on Jun 27, 2006 11:07:35 GMT -5
There is just no evidence that they are more than friends and partners and it would be so very out of Goren character to have a relationship with his partner. I kind of get a little angry (in general - not at you above posters) when just because there is a male and female lead - romance is considered when there is nothing but mutual support to base it on. I prefer males for friends & I'm sure not all of them are "Jones-ing" for me. Gag, I hope not. Uhhh... But notice what I said: "if Goren HAD to have a woman, it has to be Eames." But if he DOESN'T HAVE to have a woman, then I'm perfectly happy seeing him single, and a good friend to Eames. The reason that I'm for the G/E ship is because I'm sick and tired of the Wallace/Goren romance. It's just disgusting to think of a good guy and a bad guy in bed together. It just doesn't work out for the characters. And yes, I agree, the show itself portrays Goren and Eames good partners and friends and nothing more, and on stage, this relationship works out perfectly (until Wallace shows up, gruhhhhhhhhh ) It would be interesting to see the two leads dating tangents, in fact, I think Goren and ME Rogers would be a perfect pair, both highly intelligent crime fighters, but I keep forgetting that they are about the same age. To me, somehow, Goren is like a teenage boy, I wonder if it's the baby face, or it's just his immature behaviors and comments that pop out once a while.
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Post by SarahIvy on Jun 27, 2006 11:17:32 GMT -5
I kind of get a little angry (in general - not at you above posters) when just because there is a male and female lead - romance is considered when there is nothing but mutual support to base it on. I prefer males for friends & I'm sure not all of them are "Jones-ing" for me. Gag, I hope not. It definitely irks me a bit (I too have always had a lot of male friends). It never dawned on me that anyone would consider or wish for a romance between Goren and Eames....it boggles the mind! Watching LOCI for ages it never even briefly occured to me, and then I started snooping around the web for other fans last year and discovered that there were actually G/E shippers. Wow. I just had no idea. One of my favorite things about the show has always been the utterly platonic, respectful, professional friendship between them.
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Post by Metella on Jun 27, 2006 11:20:16 GMT -5
I have to say the Goren/Wallace pairing actually makes me sick - as opposed to the G/E pairing which is just not feasable in my CI World View. It may be feasable in your CI world view, so I'm not saying stop thinking that.
actually I'm pleased that you say you agree there is no overt showing of this on the show - sometimes I think people are just convinced that it is obviously there & I am convinced that is obviously not there.
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Post by filmnoir5 on Jun 27, 2006 12:37:29 GMT -5
I think it is refreshing that CI shows that a male and female can work together and be friends and be not romantically involved.
One of the reasons that JAG and X Files lasted longer than many shows was probably due to the fact that they did not pair the male and female characters up until either the last season or last episode. Last episode works best because the people who want the couple together get to see it happen in the last episode and the people who do not only have to see it in the last episode and have 100 or so reruns to watch without the pairing.
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Post by bobbynalexforever on Jun 27, 2006 12:38:25 GMT -5
Hi,
The only reason why I even see anything happening between them at all...IS cause I read a lot of subtext. I just do this thing where I read between the lines. Look at their body language, listen to dialogue exchanges....that sort of thing.
I can't help it...I'm a very compulsive that way. I watch EVERYTHING!! So don't worry.
Thanks and write back, Rachael
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Post by Patcat on Jun 27, 2006 13:14:09 GMT -5
Although I confess to writing Goren/Eames fanfic, I believe that they are not romantically involved. I do sense there's a great friendship there, one that Goren may be particularly grateful for.
As for Goren/Wallace--no way, no how. I can even fathom this.
I've read a couple of fanfics pairing Goren with Olivia Benson. It may be that the fanfics were very well written and depicted the relationship as a very difficult one, but I found that a believable pairing.
Patcat
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Post by Metella on Jun 27, 2006 14:31:46 GMT -5
I read subtext also and am reading a TOTALLY Different story. So my point is, in all I know of CI (and I have been watching it and a rabid fan since the middle of the first season) I see NO clues, evidence, subtext, sidelong glance etc that would ever ever point to either having a romantic intention toward the other.
I'm not saying you are wrong in seeing this in the subtext, but it just seemed from your last post that you felt for sure it was there because you were seeing more than I was seeing - I want to say that you may be seeing what you want to see, and I may be seeing what I want to see in the subtle subtext, context & extraneous movements. So that just because you feel you are reading subtext, please know that I feel I am catching all the subtext also.
Yes, I was also shocked when I saw how much fan fic was out there with G&E so hot for each other they could barely wait until the elevator door shut. YUCK.
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Post by Eléana on Jun 27, 2006 16:18:11 GMT -5
Yes, I was also shocked when I saw how much fan fic was out there with G&E so hot for each other they could barely wait until the elevator door shut. YUCK. Hahaha, very funny. Yeah, I happened to have read some of those fan fics. The ones with good plots I can tolerate, but some are just purely pornographic and repulsive. Yes, I believe that it's better to keep the two as good friends, like it is seen now. But with Nicole keeps coming back and jeopardizing the team... Ugh, it's just so annoy watching the hints of her and Bobby romantically involved, As I said earlier, if Bobby HAD to have a woman, let it be a good woman, not the UNSPEAKABLE. Of course, I don't see why can't Bobby just go on with his life being single. (I think VDO is doing a pretty good job with it. Even if he does have a girl friend, don't tell me for that I'm perfectly happy in my own little fantasy. ;D ) If the show is trying to force a woman like Nicole Wallace onto him, god, I think I can do my laundry with LOCI then. MUST RESIST THE SOAP!!!!!!
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Post by spaniard on Jun 28, 2006 11:30:21 GMT -5
I think that when a show becomes shipper, becomes garbage. They waste time with relationships and the original flavour of the show is lost. I remember JAG, it wasn´t the best show of all but the last season was a crime.
Goren: The victim was probably killed by someone he knew, what do you think, Eames? Eames: Eames? you call me Eames, aw, you don´t call me Alex anymore? I see how strong is our commitment Goren: I would have a commitment if you didn´t leave the basin full of toothpaste. Eames: I´m not messy, I just don´t have time because someone spends three hours practising weird faces in front of the mirror. My mother taught me well. Goren: Please, your mother is crazy. Eames: Look who´s talking.
A shipper LOCI would be too painful to watch, we want crimes and criminals, not tacky love poems between leuco and subpoenas, or two lovers fighting in front of the ME.
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Post by Eléana on Jun 28, 2006 15:25:06 GMT -5
Goren: The victim was probably killed by someone he knew, what do you think, Eames? Eames: Eames? you call me Eames, aw, you don´t call me Alex anymore? I see how strong is our commitment Goren: I would have a commitment if you didn´t leave the basin full of toothpaste. Eames: I´m not messy, I just don´t have time because someone spends three hours practising weird faces in front of the mirror. My mother taught me well. Goren: Please, your mother is crazy. Eames: Look who´s talking. Ummm... What?
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Post by Cassie on Jun 28, 2006 18:18:33 GMT -5
I really can't see Eames and Goren as a couple, They remind me of more of being fraternal twins. I feel they speak their own language and balance out each other. Like they have been together since birth.
Goren and Benson? Yeah, for a quick fling…. But, from the shows that I have seen about Oliva . She does NOT want to bring her work into a relationship. And I think Goren would eventually weird her out with all of his questions. Especially since she was conceived by a rape.
Now Goren and ADA Alexandria Cabot. Well, I can see Goren ditching his mummy for her , even following her into the witness protection program. But, I don’t know if she would reciprocate the same feelings towards him. I just don’t know her well enough.
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Post by spaniard on Jun 28, 2006 19:11:01 GMT -5
Eleana, it was a joke about what a shipper episode would be.
Goren and Olivia? only if the promise they won´t reproduce, those are people with a trouble about their childhood.
Cabot is a better cold blonde for Goren than Nicole. Now I think of it, S. March would have been a better Nicole if she hadn´t been A. Cabot.
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Post by Eléana on Jun 28, 2006 21:47:29 GMT -5
As I said, ANY woman BUT Nicole. Ugh. Now you mentioned it, Olivia and Cabot would probably make a better pair with Goren. I think it would be more likely be with Olivia, because Cabot is just too cold for someone as passionate as Goren. As for the reproduce part, umm... I dunno, I just don't think Goren would make a good father. He's a great detective, but when it come to personal things, especially being a father, he doesn't exactly have the best role model to follow.
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