Leticia
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Post by Leticia on Nov 30, 2006 12:10:24 GMT -5
So could have done without the ear. Ugh. And I was left confused about the ear at the end. Did Holden give permission for his ear to be cut off or did the guy just do it? Before they knew he's killed the other extra I was surprised no one was mentioning assault charges. Surely slicing someone's ear off is assault? And surely they all committed fraud or something? I think this is where we suffer from the lack of an ADA. I enjoyed the episode right until the end when it seemed like they went too far to achieve the chilling "the real baddie got off" ending. Although maybe now Logan will have another nemesis in the form of a technology savvy, fame hungry, utterly ruthless young debutante! She may have been a little disturbing, but Willow didn't manage the menace of Whoopi Goldberg.
And by the way, is Whoopi Goldberg ever coming back? I seem to recall her being hailed as the Wallace to Logan's lead and a big name reccuring villain seems in line with Season 6's general ethos. Does anyone know if she agreed to be in anymore episodes?
Completely irrelevant, but I was so surprised to see Michelle Trachtenburg! Especially as I was already thinking of Buffy because I knew a character was going to be called Willow. Ignore me if you don't know what I'm talking about....
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Post by Sirenna on Nov 30, 2006 12:53:47 GMT -5
I was left confused about the ear at the end. Did Holden give permission for his ear to be cut off or did the guy just do it? Before they knew he's killed the other extra I was surprised no one was mentioning assault charges. Surely slicing someone's ear off is assault? And surely they all committed fraud or something? Willow said that scene wasn't originally written in, but when it happened she said Holden said it worked from an acting/realism point of view and to continue doing it! I guess since Willow attributed the permission to Holden, it's a suspect statement but Logan interviewed (and smacked the lopped off side of) the poor guy's head and didn't end up charging him with anything. I'm thinking Holden voluntarily gave his all for sake of the movie so it couldn't be considered a criminal offence.
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Post by Techguy on Nov 30, 2006 16:01:21 GMT -5
is Whoopi Goldberg ever coming back? I seem to recall her being hailed as the Wallace to Logan's lead and a big name reccuring villain seems in line with Season 6's general ethos. Whoopi Goldberg's character Chesley Watkins was described as "recurring" when she was first introduced, but so far I've heard of no specific date for her return. However, my crystal ball tells me February sweeps might be the ideal time for CW to show up again.
I didn't mind the severed ear at all. I regarded it as a fitting coda to the entire hoax/no hoax resolution and, in its own way, is a campy dark comedy commentary on what went down. In this respect, I agree with what Rene Balcer said in his interview about violence. I don't object to it if it fits seamlessly into the plot. Where I draw the line, as RB does, is in the juxtaposition of sexualized images with the violence. There wasn't anything remotely sexual about Holden's lost ear.
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Leticia
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Post by Leticia on Nov 30, 2006 18:04:35 GMT -5
I'm not ready to signs a petition about the ear, but I had to close my eyes a couple of times when they insisted on waving it about. It was the unpleasant movement and texture of it... I'm not objecting to its inclusion in the plot, it would have been a poorer episode if it had not been cut off.
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Post by sobergal95 on Nov 30, 2006 18:27:04 GMT -5
Well, Logan mighta waved it around a little, but Goren woulda smelled it!!!! ;D It really wasn't that much more graphic than some other things we've seen in the past (the throat slashing scene in "Legion" bothered me) and ultimately I think it's ironic in the end for Holden. Now he has to go around without an ear, what a chick-magnet he's gonna be!
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Post by Sirenna on Nov 30, 2006 19:26:08 GMT -5
Well, Logan mighta waved it around a little, but Goren woulda smelled it!!!! ;D LOL! I dunno. The severed ear didn't look real to me especially when they were shaking it about. It looked like some sort of resin mould compound and I could see the light shining through it. I'm surprised the ME even allowed it to go to the squad room!!??
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Post by Techguy on Nov 30, 2006 19:59:46 GMT -5
I thought the fake look to the ear is exactly the right image for the hoax/no hoax theme of the episode. Showing it several times only served to underscore the "is it or isn't it" questions. So in retrospect, I think it serves as a metaphor for whatever was happening. Logan picking it up and waving it around was a nice touch. The ear, like the kidnapping, is fake. What an exclamation point to the story it turns out to be.
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Post by Sirenna on Dec 1, 2006 1:16:05 GMT -5
Yes, good point: a hoax kidnapping leading to a fake ear leading to fooling the police. I still have my doubts that the ME, pre-season six would have been foold by the fakery. She would have snatched it back with her industrial tweezers just before Goren was able to take a good whiff to take a whiff herself... unless the police were fooling the fool-kidnappers by pretending to be fooled in order to foil their fake kidnapping attempt. OK, I'm getting dizzy from all the spinning.
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Post by Techguy on Dec 1, 2006 1:29:14 GMT -5
Aha! Was the severed ear fake or was it made to LOOK fake as a commentary on the whole cyber-Rashomon business? Did Holden lose his ear...or didn't he? Were Logan and ME Rodgers playing along with the scene, or did they lose control of it like Holden did? Would Goren have been able to sniff out the truth? Did...now I'm getting dizzy from the spin doctoring!
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Post by LOCIfan on Dec 1, 2006 2:28:23 GMT -5
Great point, Techguy. That's how I felt about the whole ear thing. I was wondering if it was real or not and whether or not Holden actually had his ear cut off. I also found it darkly comical, when Logan smacked poor Holden's sore earless head, when Willow was describing, all too seriously, how Holden just decided to go with it for the sake of the "film", when Logan, all too seriously, examines it under that magnifying glass, when poor Holden ends up without the girl, the money, the movie AND the ear. And for what? Fifteen minutes of cyber-fame.
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Post by sarahlee on Dec 1, 2006 9:26:21 GMT -5
Oh no, I have confidence that the character of Willow is the type to maximise that 15 minutes--much like the "celebrilites" we are afflicted with now.
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Post by LOCIfan on Dec 1, 2006 10:45:49 GMT -5
I agree sarahlee, that Willow will get much more than her 15 minutes. I was referring to Holden and his lost ear. He's a casualty of Willow's raw drive.
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Post by filmnoir5 on Dec 1, 2006 21:47:09 GMT -5
[] It was still a fun ride! And I just love the chemistry between Wheeler and Logan. They are just fun to watch together, they've come quite a way in a short time from "Tru Love". Kudos to both the writers and the actors! Personally, I feel more of an emotional "investment" in Wheeler than I had for Barek; I LIKE her and want her to do well. She's got some wacky Goren-ish traits too.... recognizing in a flash that musical instrument was from Australia not Africa. t. Yes as much as I hate waiting almost 2 months for the next Goren and Eames episode, I have to say the Logan and Wheeler episodes have made the wait a little easier. I think CI has finally landed another "complimentary skills" team with Logan and Wheeler. Julianne Nicholson is a real find for this show. I think this actress and her character is more interesting than most of the other female actors/characters on other mystery series such as Bones, Cold Case, CSIs, Criminal Minds, L&O the original, etc.. I like the new additions to CI so much more than the new additions to the mothership.
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Post by trisha on Dec 4, 2006 10:30:09 GMT -5
ITA. Actually, I'm liking the Logan/Wheeler eps MORE than the Goren/Eames eps. It's a positive vs. negative thing for me. I don't like watching depressed people, and I especially don't like watching people I have long associated with uncommon strength and honor behaving with indignity and childish impulsivity. There are other ways to show sadness and frustration. We don't need to be beaten about the head with it, nor does the Goren character. VDO is a superb actor, he can show us what Goren is going through without tempter tantrums.
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Post by Sirenna on Dec 4, 2006 10:35:04 GMT -5
Trisha, that's sums up what I feel about the whole thing. Vincent seems to be the one willing to give up the character to this wishy-washiness.
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