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Post by gorensdoppelganger on Nov 28, 2006 22:13:31 GMT -5
What's the rule in regards to discussing an episode? How long should one wait before posting about an episode? Thanks in advance, I don't want to spoil anything for those who haven't viewed yet.
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Post by jethro on Nov 28, 2006 22:17:22 GMT -5
Since it has already aired on the East Coast, there is no need to worry about spoilers.
Feel free to discuss it in as much detail as you like.
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Post by Metella on Nov 28, 2006 22:18:01 GMT -5
if it rolls, even one minute, then you can start here! I was just waiting for someone who knew the title to start !
Not your typical SenGupta episode.
I really liked the "hip" young feel to it. I totally dug the way Logan teased Wheeler about representing the whole police department - felt like fondness in that tease. Logan is looking pretty good - like that wayward hair.
Willow sure got everyone Plus the freakin million. Wow girl, I hope you grow some ethics. She didn't looked phased at all about the death of Todd & it doesn't seem like she planned it. So how did she get all that emotion for her boyfriend at the morgue? And was she just "acting" when she told him she would always love him? or was she just that determine to be an urbanite and leave the farm behind?
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Post by gorensdoppelganger on Nov 28, 2006 22:21:53 GMT -5
I liked the episode until the ending. Both Willow and Holden would have been charged with perpetrating a hoax and they would have been held financially responsible for the cost of the police investigation. Also, maybe even Manslaughter for the death of their fellow actor due to negligence (at least Holden) since it was a "video" project and the prop gun failed.
PS, Thanks for such a quick response Jethro.
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Post by spits on Nov 28, 2006 23:05:00 GMT -5
I was actually pleasantly surprised by this episode. It may not rank as one of my all time favorites, but it seemed that there was an extra dynamic to the Logan/Wheeler partnership (or at least it was more apparent) that I liked. While I felt that this was more of a "light" episode (i.e. didn't call up the same emotional response as, say, TWAH), I certainly did enjoy watching it. Also - Logan's face when he was holding the kid was priceless .
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Post by sarahlee on Nov 28, 2006 23:17:31 GMT -5
Liked it. Liked Mikey, the story, the partner-bonding, all of it. Even Ross. He seems a little perturbed by the growing Logan/Wheeler ease, doesn't he? I'm disapointed that the bad guys didn't get it in the end though. The old CI would have made 'em pay, and cry too.
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Post by Techguy on Nov 28, 2006 23:55:07 GMT -5
No, this certainly isn't a "typical" Stephanie SenGupta episode although her wicked sense of humor is evident in the choice of title. A weeping willow is a fast-growing adaptable tree, which is an apt description of how the lead character escapes her Elmira NY upbringing and ends up on "Larry King Live."
This is a terrific episode--it's smart, hip, and totally up-to-date on the latest technology and how it could be used to put a new spin on the kidnapping for ransom crime.
Logan and Wheeler are wonderful, really growing into their partnership and balancing each other's strengths and weaknesses. I enjoyed the scene where Logan preps and coaches Wheeler for her online message to the kidnappers "for the NYPD." I also like how Ira shows up again to add more techno expertise to the investigation. Is he going to be for Logan what Lewis is, or was, to Goren? Logan might be out of the loop about vlogs and blogs, but he knows the brick colors in the architecture in NY neighborhoods. Way to go Mikey! Loved the look on your face when the baby was thrust into your arms too.
I do think that somehow Willow should be held responsible for her part in the kidnapping hoax and not profit financially from it, especially since one of the players--the "character actor"--ends up dead. Maybe that's what Logan is planning when he suggests to Wheeler they go get a bite to eat. Deakins is long gone, but if he were still around I could hear him say, "Step into her!"
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Post by janetcatbird on Nov 29, 2006 0:27:08 GMT -5
I feel guilty, because when I think back it was a terrific story--fast paced but not completely overwhelming, lots of ambiguity for the characters. But my first reaction is EWWWWWW!!!!!!!! Did we really need so many shots of the severed ear? Yuk, the hand to the side of the head/blood packet, maybe one shot of the fake jiggling thing but the gross-out effect is overwhelming the story appreciation. At least it wasn't sexual, and the stalker cam wasn't around--or if it was, it made sense, like the laptop getting jiggled or knocked over.
Like I said though, I loved the ambiguity and how we didn't know what exactly was going on. As I remember Michelle Trachtenburg from her days on "All That" (the silly elementary version of Saturday Night Live Nickelodian used to show) it was neat to see the serious actress.
I don't understand how they got away though. It's not like they didn't have any evidence of recklessness. I'm not averse to the occassional "We know they did it but it won't hold up in court, grumble", but I like to know the reasons for it.
I've missed several Logan/Wheeler episodes, but I like what I see in them. They can give each other some grief but generally get along well. (And I know it's almost standard comic technique to throw a young'un at a tough guy, but I'm with Techguy: I loved Logan's facial expressions when holding the baby. Hee! Silly Mikey, obviously he doesn't have too many nieces/nephews, or if he did they grew up long ago!)
This wasn't Ira's first appearance? I like the techie geeks, he's a cool one. "In English, please Ira." And yay Rogers! Personally I thought it out of character for Logan to be playing with the ear, but she was cool. "Is he really dead?" "Well, we can check if you like" brriiizzzzzzz!!! with the drill. I loved Wallace Shawn as the film school instructor--trust me, I'm in a school full of self-important artistes, he and the student nailed it.
--Catbird
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Post by Techguy on Nov 29, 2006 0:58:35 GMT -5
Did we really need so many shots of the severed ear? If "Maledictus" was a Season 6 episode, do you think we would have seen the severed head of the Russian mob princess? This wasn't Ira's first appearance? I like the techie geeks, he's a cool one. Ira Whipple was in last week's L/W episode "Blasters." I loved Wallace Shawn as the film school instructor--trust me, I'm in a school full of self-important artistes, he and the student nailed it. Professor Wallace says something very funny about "visual masturbation" but I didn't remember enough to include it as one of my poll voting options. However, members are free to include it in its entirety as a snark submission if they wish! ;D
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Post by sobergal95 on Nov 29, 2006 1:11:36 GMT -5
I really liked this episode too. Had me going, "its a hoax""its not a hoax" "its a hoax". Fast paced. I thought the ear thing was a little much and felt bad for Wheeler as she watched it. And I don't understand why they couldn't get Holden and Willow on more, but at least they got the money back. Poor Holden, lost the money, lost the babe and now is minus an ear! What an idiot!
I enjoyed the Logan holding "Junior" scene too, looks like he tried to pass him off to Wheeler a couple times without avail. And couldn't get rid of him fast enough. How differently that scene would have been for the kid to have been passed onto Goren!
I liked Goren and Eames old "techie geek" with the blondish red hair.... I think his name was Zach? They used him in "The Third Horseman" and the video game one with Bishop when Eames had the baby. (brain trouble can't think of the title). I can't think of any others he might have been in or not.
They seem to like episodes making actors the bad guys... "Unrequited", "Vacancy", "Blasters" and the one with Matt Damon's voice. Just a random observation. Or, is it a deliberate sub-theme after reading the RB interview? Hmmmm.....
I liked it and think the Logan/Wheeler episodes are holding their own much more than last season. And thanks, Techguy, for bringing up the snark thread again. It will give us a project for the next few weeks of re-runs till the new episodes hit again!
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Post by sarahlee on Nov 29, 2006 1:40:14 GMT -5
Van Gogh? Hmmm, I don't see it...elaborate?
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Post by sarahlee on Nov 29, 2006 2:01:45 GMT -5
Sure! Ok, now I get it. You're right--it always comes back to "Love" doesn't it? I wonder if the writers see it too?
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Post by sobergal95 on Nov 29, 2006 2:37:46 GMT -5
Well, in "Unrequited" Marion helped distract Harvey while his mother was being killed because she was interfering with her pursuit of her stage career. "Vacancy", the actor killed the bridesmaid as part of his "method" study for a part as a serial killer. "Unblinking Eye" the actors killed the one guy's fiance as basically a dramatic real life audition. "Blasters", Wille and Skater got stuck being characters they played in an 80s sitcom. Just seems that maybe the writers are possibly poking a little fun at actors? Just a thought.
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Post by mikeyrocks on Nov 29, 2006 2:49:48 GMT -5
WOW - What can I say about this one - It was ODD but I liked it. Now wondering if the incredibly strange vibe it had ( for me at least ) - was just my whole misunderstanding over the whole BLOG phenomena. But back to the episode. Very good performances all around. I wasn't really sure if it was a hoax or not - I kept waffling. Finally -settling on HOAX and wondering what the HELL that says about human nature that some people would be willing to go that far to potentially gain - fame, money - what have you. It also had me waffling on just exactly who to place the most blame. I think that the two guys playing the kidnappers were basically dupped as much as everyone else - Just two guys in it for the GIG and a paycheck. A paycheck that didn't seem fair to them. Holden - fairly unethical and slimy BUT I couldn't totally hate him as he really seemed to get carried away with the whole thing. Carried away with himself and this little masterpiece he thought he was making. He seemed to get lost in it somehow/ Lost in his art so to speak . Mind you he was a GREEDY little bugger who really seemed to want the money. Greed actually seemed to be Holden, Reggie and Todd's downfall - all of them. a motive that I found far less disturbing than Willow's. Yes - now we have Willow- The only one who came out of the whole thing basically unscathed. She got exactly what she wanted ESCAPE and FAME. She may not have know exactly how things would go down ( as in Todd actually dieing and such ) BUT I think she had it all planned out from the start. She was totally willing ti PLAY everybody- in whatever way she had to to get what she wanted . She probably didn't even want Holden -prehaps ever - He was just a means to an end ( her end ) - First to NYC and then on to bigger and better things. What a disturbing ending as well seeing Willow sitting and smiling away on Larry King Live. I found it extremely frightening that Willow's need for fame or acceptance or whatever she was seeking seemed to so strongly outweight other factors such as principles ,loyality, family ties and connections to others. Quite sad and scary when you think about it - Perhaps done intentionally to point out the isolation some young people may live under when their world becomes one that is conducted more online than out in the REAL WORLD. The line between what is real and what is not / what is important and what is not can become very blurred. Very GOOD episode - gave me lots to think about. Have to say - ABSOLUTELY LOVING Logan and Wheeler together. They really click well and compliment each other wonderfully. Also the scene with the baby was hilarious - Chirs Noth has got some really GREAT comic chops. My one complaint is that I would have liked abit more Ross Snark tonight - I like my Ross AND I love his snark
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Post by gidget on Nov 29, 2006 7:23:21 GMT -5
I was a bit surprised by how much I liked Logan and wheeler in this ep- I haven't been a huge fan of theirs so far. But Logan really got me in this one, with the one liners and the push to err on the side of caution and consider it a kidnapping. I even liked Wheeler too- I felt for her with the ear thing, and her waffling. She felt like the voice of the viewer- yes it is a hoax, no wait it's not, no wait maybe it is.
Loved Rodgers scolding Logan at the morgue. I just love Rodgers period though.
Overall it was a good episode, I liked the current content , and the feeling that this type of thing could totally happen. The pacing of it was perfect, and the slight lightness to it was a welcome relief after what has so far been an emotionally charged season.
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