6:10 - "Weeping Willow" 2006-11-28

[trisha]

Yes. He's on a diet, and the scenery is not only tastey, it's low carb!

[Sirenna]

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[Metella]

ha ha ha good one!

Sirenna - remember all the accusations of Goren "chewing the scenery"? meaning hogging up the attention with questionable & perhaps over the top acting? It is nearly always used in a negative light to describe an actors work.

[effie]

For those on eagle eye alert... I noticed something when I watched this episode again the other night... when Logan and Wheeler go into the film professor's office, they walk past a film poster, and the title of the film is "Inert Dwarf."

Since there isn't a film called that, and there is a CI episode called that I just found it funny.

Could be a student film, but its almost too much of a coincidence ... ;0)

Another thing I noticed the first time and really like is that Wheeler finally got a chance to do some decent profiling with Willow. She's supposed to be the profiler half of the team, but she hasn't really done a whole lot of it to this point. More would be nice to see... as would seeing her undercover. Ross made a big deal out of her skills in that area to Logan... so lets see them!!

[Sirenna]

oh, right! I forgot about those days. Shows you just how far we came.
EDIT:
I miss those days.

[NikkiGreen]

Inert Dwarf?

I think it was a poster from the British scifi series "Red Dwarf".

[Sirenna]

mikeyrocks said:

WOW - What can I say about this one - It was ODD but I liked it... settling on HOAX and wondering what the HELL that says about human nature that some people would be willing to go that far to potentially gain - fame, money - what have you...Holden - fairly unethical and slimy BUTI couldn't totally hate him. He seemed to get lost in his art so to speak . Mind you he was a GREEDY. What a disturbing ending.. Willow smiling away on Larry King Live. I found it extremely frightening that Willow's need for fame or acceptance or whatever she was seeking seemed to so strongly outweight other factors such as principles ,loyality, family ties and connections to others.

As I said before this was a great post, Mikeyrocks, and it ties into something I'm reading for my work. The more I watch this episode the more I like it and the more I find it reflects my generation's situation.

Our age, the Information Age (1960 to now), is full of "me-generational individuals, where the individual's more important than the group. One view underlying this is ethical relativism which says there is no such thing as a universal moral principal governing our behaviour. Instead everything is relative, situational and negotiable and each new situation requires us to redefine our values and actions - each of us has the last say on what is right or wrong. We seem to moving to a new place, in the last few years, trying to curb the excesses and damage this has brought from things like Lonelygirl15, Enron, Clintongate, at some points holding people more accountable in certain ways and yet in others not at all.

This is what I saw and really enjoyed throughout this episode. One moment we're sure Holden's the bad guy, the next we're sure he's not and then, the next we know he's not a good guy but we can't hate him and we can point fingers at worse guys, or in this case, girls. Same thing with the extras:all the murdering extra wanted was the girl and a better part. So selfish of the lead guy not to share! But, in doing so, at least the lead stuck to his values! We can juxtapose them with Logan, Wheeler and Ross, so banded; a workgroup - stuck with each other and very out of their element when forced onto center stage. But stalwart together too because they share a shining moral purpose. The humour carried through to off-stage as well. I think Stephanie Sen Gupta was poking fun at herself and her industry as well throughout this episode. After all being invited onto CNN is meant to be a coup not a farce.

I also think that's why much of our discussion has been about hoaxes and how dizzying the flip-flops were, as they would be when we start from such a shaky moral foundation.

There was so much wit and good humour weaving throughout this episode that so far this season, it ranks as one of my favourites.

[Techguy]

I've re-watched this episode and it's most definitely one of my favorites from this season too, In fact, it's one of my favorite Logan CI episodes ever. What an enjoyable viewing experience!

The social commentary about modern life, how seeing is not always believing, how technology like CGI and other computer manipulations can distort reality or at least our perceptions of reality, is priceless. The dark humor is right on target--only in America, at this point in time of the 21st century, can someone like Willow rise from obscurity in Elmira NY and find herself on CNN's "Larry King Live." And thrusting old-school Logan and his timely snarking into the fray only adds to the fun.

We all get our 15 minutes of fame, I suppose, but now thanks to her new-found "financing" Willow is probably good for a few hours, give or take. She can probably extend the life of her celebrity status by riding in a car with a baby on her lap, or holding said baby over the balcony of her hotel room. Wait, didn't I read or see something about this before? No matter. Sequels and remakes are the latest fashionable "in" thing.

[Sirenna]

...or marrying The Bachelor instead of letting him get away with "taking some time to get to know" his final choice better.

Without the ring and the televised wedding, the fifteen minutes is over so much more quickly I'm surprised only one them have actually taken that step since, whatever the outcome of the marriage, the divorce would give them another 15 minutes. don't these people think and where are their agents?

[NicoleMarie]

Random thought:

Anyone notice that in the CI intoduction photo of Logan/Noth shoving the pool stick in that guys throat that Annabella Sciorra has been edited out of it for season 6?

[mikeyrocks]

Wonderful Posts Sirenna and Techguy!!

I have only watched this one once and quite enjoyed it -now I'm off to watch again armed with all these incredible new insights.

[gorensdoppelganger]

techguy said:

We all get our 15 minutes of fame, I suppose, but now thanks to her new-found "financing" Willow is probably good for a few hours, give or take. She can probably extend the life of her celebrity status by riding in a car with a baby on her lap, or holding said baby over the balcony of her hotel room. Wait, didn't I read or see something about this before? No matter. Sequels and remakes are the latest fashionable "in" thing.

Techguy, the latest way to continue your fifteen minutes of fame if your a lady is to go commando and show your "wears" to the world. I'm not a prude or anything, but I do believe that certain things should be kept to the imagination.

I know the saying that bad press is better then no press, but really I just don't get what Lohan, Spears, and Paris were thinking, or I guess it was more of what they were drinking.

[sobergal95]

Well done Janet! Thank you for a wonderful read!

[Sirenna]

metella said:

the bad guys were bad guys (Holden & Willow)... because they made choices that were selfish, greedy and ego driven. Finally.

From the start, the characters were startlingly self-determinate. Holden, Willow (especially Willow) and the character actor were very clear about who they were. No pathology or bad childhood to dilute their intent. They wanted what they wanted. They reminded me more of Connie and his cronies in Sound Bodies than anyone in Vacancy but with a less vicious tone to the episode than that one. None of these characters were pushed into their choices the way we've seen so many other villains in LOCI, muddying the waters of their intent because some of the blame could be attributed to a bad gene or a bad parent. These guys were selfish, yes but strangely innocent too. When Logan smacked the lopped-off side of Holden's head, he seemed more paternal than relentless in the interview and he let Holden go.

Because they are so clear, we, the viewer, are the ones with all the questions about right and wrong. Is Holden a bad guy or just misguided, for instance? Is it wrong to fully agree to allow your ear to be cut off if it makes for a better movie or isn't it?


This is another very witty part of writing for me: both these bad guys were never charged with a crime. We, the viewers, were left worrying after their moral fortitude.

[Sirenna]

On another note, did anyone get the impression that the eventual murder seemed incidental to the plot? As though the murder served merely as a writing device to get Logan and Wheeler to step up their investigation at a point in the story when they might have logically decided to drop the case. It was the hoax that was the thematic crux of this episode.

It was an element that I found intriguing and unusual compared to any episode we've seen before.