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Post by outerbankschick on Jul 15, 2009 22:35:03 GMT -5
I just can't get on board with Alex lying. She'd have no reason to, and it would be detrimental to their partnership for her to lie directly to Bobby's face about something that (at the time) made a difference in the case. I think it's a bit of a leap (okay - a big leap) to infer that she slept with Kevin, got pregnant, then got an abortion, and now feels guilty about it. Kevin was a creep. She didn't see it back then, but later, after the case tanked, she saw it very clearly. I'm betting she gave a huge sigh of relief that she hadn't gotten any deeper involved with him than she did. Basically, if one is going to believe that she lied to Bobby about sleeping with Kevin, then one would have to ask why. What would be the point? To save face? She's never been that kind of person. And aside from that, Alex knows her partner. He'd sniff out that lie faster than a hound dog scenting a deer! Alex is the character who sees things in black and white, while Bobby is the more emotional one who tends to see those shades of gray. She's told him before "Don't equivocate" when he seemed to be making a rationalization for a criminal's behavior. In The Faithful, she felt that the woman who had the affair with the priest didn't deserve their sympathies and Bobby had to politely plead with her to give him a couple of days. He wanted to talk the priest into confessing to keep the woman's name out of it and avoid destroying her family. To Bobby, there was that shade of gray. To Alex, it was black and white. She believed the woman shouldn't have had the affair in the first place and the fact that her family would get dragged into the middle of the murder investigation wasn't their problem. I believe that Kevin may have stolen the red blouse right from her bedroom, too. He was in her house later on, when he pilfered a pair of her panties (Eww!) and he could have been inside while she was out jogging that morning, too. It was apparent from his actions that he was all but stalking her. He may have waited for her to leave, then slipped inside (how he got in - maybe he picks locks, too!) and took her blouse. That's one of those threads the writers left hanging in this one. . .
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Post by DonnaJo on Jul 16, 2009 6:42:22 GMT -5
OBC, you've layed out beautifully exactly how I feel about Eames. After "knowing" the character for eight seasons, I wholeheartedly agree with your assessment of her, her behavior & her mores. ;D
I have to tell you that I got excited reading your idea that Kevin may have stolen the red blouse from her home. However. after further review, it sounds (door slam) and looks like she enters her home after her run with the cleaning in tow. The yellow ticket is affixed to the order, and she knows that the red silk blouse was in that order. So Kevin had to have somehow pulled that one item out of the order from the cleaners? Tough to do. And a big hanging thread for us nit picky fans.
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Post by Patcat on Jul 16, 2009 9:09:33 GMT -5
I see the red blouse as a macguffin--something that's meant to tell the audience something is wrong but isn't all that important by itself--and we're not meant to obsess over it. It's not important HOW Kevin got it, but that he was so obsessed with Alex he had to get it.
And to repeat myself, I maintain Alex didn't sleep with Kevin. The fact that she even seriously considered having sex with this disturbed man is embarrassing enough to her.
Patcat
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Post by Moonbeam on Jul 16, 2009 9:40:16 GMT -5
I see the red blouse as a macguffin--something that's meant to tell the audience something is wrong but isn't all that important by itself--and we're not meant to obsess over it. It's not important HOW Kevin got it, but that he was so obsessed with Alex he had to get it. And to repeat myself, I maintain Alex didn't sleep with Kevin. The fact that she even seriously considered having sex with this disturbed man is embarrassing enough to her. Patcat Amen
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Post by DonnaJo on Jul 16, 2009 10:26:19 GMT -5
I see the red blouse as a macguffin--something that's meant to tell the audience something is wrong but isn't all that important by itself--and we're not meant to obsess over it. It's not important HOW Kevin got it, but that he was so obsessed with Alex he had to get it. Now, now Patcat. ;D Is any of it really important? Are we meant to obsess about any of it? It's just fun speculation. For me, it's the little things. Like the blouse. Like the Chinese food in "Frame." I'd rather have some fun with the little details than discuss if Eames had an abortion or not.
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Post by Patcat on Jul 16, 2009 11:24:46 GMT -5
Oh, we're in agreement, DonnaJo. Although I do think some details are important. While the blouse itself isn't all that significant, the fact it's red is, I think. As I wrote before, red is a color that just can mean so many things--blood, sex, etc. It's a macguffin, but a RED macguffin.
Re. Eames and abortion. I don't see her as necessarily having had one. I can see where she may have been in a position where she had to consider one. In my head, however, and only in my head (I have no concrete evidence for this), I've always thought Alex and Joe might've had arguments about whether to have kids, with Joe pushing for them and Alex wanting to wait. And then, she waited too long.
Patcat (everyone confused now?
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Post by DonnaJo on Jul 16, 2009 12:12:53 GMT -5
Speaking of Alex & Joe, do we have any idea how long they were married before he died? I can't recall anything in the dialog that gives us a real answer. My opinion is that is wasn't that long - maybe a few years. But that's just speculation.
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Post by Patcat on Jul 16, 2009 14:47:17 GMT -5
I don't think we're given any specifics as to how long they were married. I have the sense Alex has had Bobby as a partner much longer than she was married to Joe.
Patcat
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Post by outerbankschick on Jul 16, 2009 17:19:18 GMT -5
Ah. . .DJ, I must go back and watch again. I didn't catch that she came in with the stuff in her hand. In my head, I keep picturing her laying the clothes on the bed, but couldn't remember if she'd grabbed them from the back of a door, or if she was already holding them.
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Post by mwendyr on Jul 16, 2009 17:21:43 GMT -5
I don't think we're given any specifics as to how long they were married. I have the sense Alex has had Bobby as a partner much longer than she was married to Joe. Patcat In Amends, when looking at the parade photo, Eames says something to the effect of, "patty's day parade '95, not long after we were married."
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Post by DonnaJo on Jul 16, 2009 18:46:06 GMT -5
Great memory, wendy. OK...married late 1994 or early 1995. We learn in "Lady's Man" that Eames is recently widowed right before she & Mulrooney are working on the murder of Boz's wife. Ten years ago, which is 1999. Two years before becoming Goren's partner. Which would make them married approximately 4+ years.
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Post by mwendyr on Jul 17, 2009 7:09:43 GMT -5
Thank you. It serves me well.
I think 4 years sounds about right. Depressing when you consider people usually (?) marry for life, and that's probably what she was expecting.
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Post by tjara on Jul 17, 2009 8:45:43 GMT -5
No, she came in with her clothes from running, and after she looked through them, the red blouse was missing. She went back to the cleaners, but the lady there told her she misplaced it. I think that's why she doesn't instantly make the connection when she finds the red blouse in the hotel room. I figure Kevin got/stole the blouse from the cleaners.
I think Alex was married for approximately 4 years. She said she was married "shortly" before St. Patrick's Day 1995. The Boz case was the first case she worked after Joe was killed. The tape when Mulrooney interviewed the witness said 5/12/99. In Amends/TWAH it sounded as if Joe had died 1998, so I take it he died late 1998. I also think Alex was already Major Case then, because it wouldn't make sense otherwise.
*Huge speculation ahead*
Maybe she postponed having children in order to take the spot at Major Case. I guess she was partnered with someone else before being partnered with Bobby.
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Post by Jefferaldo on Jul 17, 2009 21:16:17 GMT -5
Good point tjara,
She was in Vice before Major Case and Vice doesn't investigate homicides. So I think the Burman case was one of her first in Major Case. It also sounds like she worked the case quite solo and without a partner as there was never mention of one. Probably because of Joe's death.
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Post by tjara on Jul 18, 2009 6:21:45 GMT -5
I think her an Mulrooney worked together a lot. Carver never/rarely did, but on SVU Casey can be seen questioning people now and then.
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