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Post by Techguy on Aug 9, 2009 23:56:16 GMT -5
Hahaha! I'm picturing a screen cap of Nichols and Goren dueling in German with Eames rolling her eyes. What a caption contest that would make, LOL at that!
I agree, KE is a very attractive woman, more so with her hair pulled back to frame her face. She should wear this look a lot more often on the show.
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Post by peterinmanhattan on Aug 10, 2009 0:07:17 GMT -5
What did you all think of the new opening, did you think that Jeff was walking really weird in the final shot: he looked like he was about to trip!!
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Post by SarahIvy on Aug 10, 2009 0:58:41 GMT -5
My goodness! That was an excellent episode! It really had everything I have missed in so many of the more recent episodes. Wonderful humor, great chemistry, really solid writing and storytelling....plus "villains" that were actually complex and drew me in. I certainly have plenty more I could say about it, and I may be back...but right now this weary knocked up lady has to haul herself to bed.
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Post by Patcat on Aug 10, 2009 7:49:13 GMT -5
Ok, I'm going to post without reading the other comments first.
I thought this was a well put together episode. I felt as if I should have seen some of the twists (such as the girl was the revolutionary's daughter), but I was blind to it. I admit to being flummoxed when she killed the other woman. And I didn't see the final twist, although to the writer's credit, all of it made sense.
Was there more snark per minute in this one than any LOCI episode?
"Why don't we all back up and call the bomb squad?" Nichols
"He's starting to remind me of someone." Eames "He's taller." Ross
"They have a fan group on Facebook." Eames "We're not joining." Ross
"Thank you, Dick Cheney." Ross
Ah, paying Visa for you bomb supplies.
I don't recall seeing Nichols so stunned before. And, as usual, Eames is left to pick up the pieces.
I found it enthralling.
Patcat
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Post by Patcat on Aug 10, 2009 7:56:07 GMT -5
I have to write that I feel much better that I appear to be with the majority on this one. I was feeling a little lonely in my support of ALPHA DOG last week (no one, by the way, made me feel bad about that).
I agree that the last visual of Nichols holding the girl was stunning.
Was she about to give up? (I think so.) And who gave the order to shoot? (My bet is the FBI person.)
Patcat
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Post by annabelleleigh on Aug 10, 2009 9:06:12 GMT -5
Superb script by EP Michael S. Chernuchin who appears to have emerged as the new G/E showrunner. In fact, every fine CI contributor's credits appeared on this episode -- Ed Zuckerman, Andrew Lipsitz, Timothy J. Lea. The uber-EP for the series (and indie filmmaker) John David Coles, directed it. All these creative guys -- they all owned this episode.
I agree -- Goren was "in the room" even if VDO wasn't. (Thank you, Mr. Chernuchin, for once again understanding that fans see the series -- perhaps even the L&O franchise -- as a whole, alternative reality.)
JG's Nichols and Erbe's Eames were wonderful together.
"Revolution" was a taste of the fun we'd have with a couple of full crossover episodes in Season 9. Once again (as I have on another thread) I nominate Michael Chernuchin as principal writer for the crossovers. And let's have John Coles directed them too.
AL
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Post by idget on Aug 10, 2009 9:41:28 GMT -5
I also thought it was a good episode, one of the best Nichols' episodes by far. But I am afraid it didn't hold my attention as much as it held some others because I got up several times to attend to other things, which I rarely do during a Goren/Eames episode. It also bothered me that they didn't explain why Eames was able to work with Nichols, was Goren still arguing with that sheriff in Tennessee? I also would have liked a mention of Wheeler and her new baby and how they were doing. That said, I think the best part was the very end. I felt very sorry for Nichols when he was talking about why he never had children, wonder why he thinks he turned out so bad?
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Post by DonnaJo on Aug 10, 2009 11:06:29 GMT -5
It seems that you and I are on the same page, Idget. Nichol's last lines, about how children are a vessel that their father's fill ......and then how he mentions the German & himself in the same breath and then says "Oops." Is he, Zach, an "Oops?" Or did I not hear that right? I, personally really needed an explanation why Goren wasn't working on this vitally important case. I mean, come on....you have your best Detective, the guy who spent years in Germany, off site looking up street names? Unless it wasn't Goren, but Ritchie or Daniels. After eight plus years they might also recognize Eames voice. No offense to Nichols, but all logic would have Goren there, at the scenes, helping Eames & Nichols. I almost wish he had been hit by a taxi - anything to explain his absence. In spite of those minor quirks, I loved this episode! It was riveting and so well written. Thank you Mr. Chernucin and friends for a superb job. Goldblum did a fantastic job being brilliant, quirky, and most of all, endearing. I was as shocked as he was at the tragic ending. I loved how during the aria he switched gears when he realized that he wasn't going to get the girl to turn against the only father she's ever known. Relieved to see that it wasn't the one from "Astoria Helen" as the FBI agent as I initially thought. I was thinking finally, an FBI agent who isn't a creep or a dolt. Too bad she made the wrong decision at the end.
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Post by Patcat on Aug 10, 2009 11:14:14 GMT -5
Not to be hostile, DonnaJo, but did the FBI agent (like you, I assume she gave to go ahead for the shooting) make the wrong decision? I sensed that Nichols had reached the girl, but had he? And based on what the agent had said, I think the FBI was going to shoot if she got close enough so that Nichols could keep her upright. It may have been the right decision based on what was known. I'm not sure it was, but it may have been.
Patcat
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Post by DonnaJo on Aug 10, 2009 11:21:12 GMT -5
No problem, Patcat. IMO, Nichols had reached her. She was about to embrace her "father" and listen to his plea to end it. Now, the FBI may not have known that. However, didn't someone realize that Zach was deliberately in the way of the sniper? Didn't Eames say something to the effect that he was doing it on purpose? I need to re-watch it.
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Post by angua on Aug 10, 2009 11:31:13 GMT -5
Hahaha! I'm picturing a screen cap of Nichols and Goren dueling in German with Eames rolling her eyes. What a caption contest that would make, LOL at that!
I agree, KE is a very attractive woman, more so with her hair pulled back to frame her face. She should wear this look a lot more often on the show. I think hair-up Eames is my new favorite "look" for her but if she ever wears that damn hat again I will . . . I dunno, kick her in my head. No, I won't even do that. I love that woman. I wish they had said where the heck Goren was this ep. He couldn't have been in Tenessee, he and Eames just solved a case last week. Why in the world didn't they force VDO to work with Goldblum? That would have been terrific to see! All in all, a good ep, but it didn't take my top spot this season, that was "The Glory That Was."
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Post by annabelleleigh on Aug 10, 2009 11:46:59 GMT -5
Not to be hostile, DonnaJo, but did the FBI agent (like you, I assume she gave to go ahead for the shooting) make the wrong decision? I sensed that Nichols had reached the girl, but had he? And based on what the agent had said, I think the FBI was going to shoot if she got close enough so that Nichols could keep her upright. It may have been the right decision based on what was known. I'm not sure it was, but it may have been. I thought the needless FBI shooting was meant as a social comment on violence begetting violence. "Everyone is a victim." Including the sharpshooter who was ordered to pull the trigger. As for Nichols' speech about not having children: That was an illumination of his own self-perceptions (and his driving forces) as forged by his relationship with his own (fictive) parents. Or would you say otherwise, dear DJ and PC? In fact, for me, the entire of "Revolution" compared and contrasted issues between and within the political and the personal. In that way it was brilliant -- perhaps one of the best CI episodes of all time. AL Edited to add: In its own way (IMO) "Revolution" was every bit as profound as "Want."
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Post by annabelleleigh on Aug 10, 2009 12:36:56 GMT -5
...I, personally really needed an explanation why Goren wasn't working on this vitally important case. I mean, come on....you have your best Detective, the guy who spent years in Germany, off site looking up street names?... DJ makes a good point here -- one on which I'd like expand. I think that (at least some) fans are inferring -- from "Revolution" (which easily could have been a G/E story and would have been in past seasons) and from imperfect translations of VDO's recent interviews in France -- that Jeff Goldblum's Nichols is on course to take over for VDO's Goren. If that's so -- if it's the current plan -- then I believe it will kill the series. I love Goldblum and consider him a fantastic addition to the CI. But he isn't ever going to be accepted by the majority of fans as a substitution for VDO. N.B., Dick Wolf. AL
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Post by Patcat on Aug 10, 2009 13:16:34 GMT -5
I'm glad to be on the same page with you regarding this episode, AL, for two reasons. One is my general wimpiness and happiness at not being in the minority (my problem entirely), and the other is that I respect your opinion.
I'd be terribly unhappy if Goren were written out of the series, but I've come to like Eames and Nichols enough that I'd hang around for them.
I enjoyed seeing Nichols and Eames working together, but I would've liked some shout out regarding Goren similar to the remark about Goren being in Tennesse. Just a moment of Eames on the phone saying, "We're ok. You stay home and take care of yourself." I mean, maybe Goren slipped on some rocks in the Tennesse hills and hurt that knee of his and had to have surgery. ('Scuse me...need to find ASP bat for use on self.)
Patcat
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Post by ypomoni on Aug 10, 2009 13:56:46 GMT -5
What a fantastic season finale! ok, first off, the opening sequence - Eames and Nichols looked TOO good together! It has me a bit worried...not to mentioned that they were excellent partners in this episode. The way they both realised Kaspers was on the street and started talking about someone's mother. It was as if they were reading each other's mind! The balance between them was great. Eames would pick up on things, then Nichols, then Eames, etc. The first part of the episode saw Eames play with her hairdo's - in the squadroom, down, in the field, up! And yes, she looked wonderful with her her up! She should do it more often! The one liners have been mentioned - all of which were awesome! He doesn't know the difference between Groucho and Marx! hahahaha! Was the FBI agent the same one that we have seen in the SVU episodes? I know I've seen her play an undercover FBI agent before. And the actress playing Bridgette - she played Ben's daughter Alex in Lost! Even then it turned out she wasn't his real daughter! It must be a pattern for her! Everyone did a marvelous job in this episode. The shout-out to the fans about Goren and Nichols' similarity was well played! There were a few things that seemed to be little plotholes, but I overlooked them b/c the episode in whole was enthralling! Good way to end! Hopefully we won't need to wait forever for the next season, that really needs to answer questions, like, for example, what is Molly really to Goren!
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