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Post by det1stgrade on Nov 21, 2005 12:41:31 GMT -5
I often wondered how much input, if any, VDO had in the casting of D'Abo as Nicole. Even though D'Abo didn't have the lead in The Velocity of Gary, there was an air of "chemistry" between D'Abo/Veronica and VDO/Valentino -- and in those roles, too, I think there was an underlying love/hate. I don't think the casting of other victims/villains is very "original" -- I could probably count a dozen actors/actresses that have appeared on both LO:CI and SVU--almost as if they're on retainer w/ DWP. At least somebody got D'Abo right.
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Post by Cassie on Nov 21, 2005 18:31:45 GMT -5
I often wondered how much input, if any, VDO had in the casting of D'Abo as Nicole. -- I could probably count a dozen actors/actresses that have appeared on both LO:CI and SVU--almost as if they're on retainer w/ DWP. At least somebody got D'Abo right. I have wonder that too, not only Olivia D'Ablo, but with other guest stars too Lee Tergensen was in Baggage and the movie "Bark" Adam Stork was in Monster and the movie "Mystic Pizza" Mike Star was in Monster also and the movie "Ed Wood" I know the list goes on and on.....but I have wondered too, if since he worked these people before, if he is looking out for some of his old acting buddies. As for the other actors that have played on all of the other Law & Order shows. I believe, I could be wrong, that they belong to an "acting company" and are sub-contracted out
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Post by maherjunkie on Feb 26, 2006 10:43:51 GMT -5
I adore this ep more each time I see it. The shoe store scene is hilarious-though I wonder, why the gay affectation? It borders on them not being beliveable as a couple.
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Post by Cassie on Feb 26, 2006 19:05:41 GMT -5
Maybe because Goren thought the salesman might be gay? ok...and what about Mark Bayley or better yet..... what about Nicole, how could she stomach climbing into the sack with him wearing a pink towel, chewing on his nicorette gum.......
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Post by lyra on Feb 26, 2006 20:30:00 GMT -5
Well, since this is an ep. and characters I know the names of I will comment. Now I have been gone a year and didn't read all pages of this thread, so I may be repeating someone else, (or myself).
I think Goren may have been intrigued when first interviewing Nicole, but not attracted. He seems to approach every person he meets with caution and with a curious mind. His comment later about her trying to charm them shows, to me, that he saw something not quite right. He may not have seen evil, but figured out he was being targetted and snowed. First off was simply the fact that Nicole engaged him while ignoring Eames. That is a pretty big 'tell' that Goren is unlikely to miss.
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Post by 2011 on Apr 16, 2006 22:23:12 GMT -5
Hey guys, I just watched a repeat of Anti-Thesis on Bravo--and wasn't it hilarious when Goren and Eames pretent to be married in the shoe store? Goren especially, was SO funny!!
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Post by goreamesfan on Apr 17, 2006 13:46:21 GMT -5
I thought Goren was attracted to Nicole at first, but it's hard to tell. Goren often uses his sex appeal if he thinks he can gain information (Is it my imagination or did he play a little gay to get information from the sales clerk at the shoe store too?). Sometimes it's hard to tell if he's playing or not (like that time he really played up his feelings for the nurse). But the attraction ended, I think, when Nicole turned the tables on him in the interogation room. He seemed to hate her at that moment -- and I think part of his hatred stems from his being surprised by her. He knew she was smart, but he didn't know HOW smart. I think he's angry with himself for having underestimated her. And I think that's the root of Eames final line of the show -- though it seems a little rough on Goren to rub his nose in it. It isn't as though she was ahead of him on that score.
Interestingly, Niicole doesn't seem to hate Goren at the end of this episode. She knew what she was dealing with all along.
I think the interogation between Goren and Nicole may be one of the best moments ever on CI.
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Post by rosemary on Apr 21, 2006 6:05:57 GMT -5
Goren often uses his sex appeal if he thinks he can gain information (Is it my imagination or did he play a little gay to get information from the sales clerk at the shoe store too?). . He would make a great gay guy, I think. But I hope it won't foster slash fan fic. I once wrote a LOCI drinking game, which finished that way: "Sexual tension between Goren and Carver…you've had enough!" ;D
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Post by kawaiidragonfoe821 on Apr 21, 2006 7:11:52 GMT -5
I loved that shoe store scene! His level os put-on arrogance never seaces to crack me up! On any other guy it wouldn't be appealing.
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Post by bringirl2001 on Apr 21, 2006 20:18:20 GMT -5
Thanks you all for these different points of view- i fall into the category of believing that bobby may have been slightly attracted to her(as any man would be in Anti- thesis) UNTIL he saw her for who she was and in POI- he really saw how horrible she could be-- and he was glad to be rid of her too- I will go and rewatch these two eppys-(i hjave em on tape)- you made some good points- i did not catch how eames said it about the scones on either show--I got made at nicole on how she treid to set bobby up-- but lastly- i think it is pretty obvious how bobby dislikes Nicole now-- by the other two shows--this last show when it became obvious that nicole poisoned the guy and Eames made a remark that maybe he should have skipped the lessons on poison with nicole--- bobby just looked at her like- "darn straight"-- and in our little shippy eppy-- when bishop worked with him and it was obvious that Eames would have know what was happening to him-- you know the show about the computer hack who did not want to lose his partner---- well on that show-- it kinds showed ow much bobby missed Eames and how he depends on her to help him and keep him straight---
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Post by NicoleMarie on Apr 23, 2006 18:56:41 GMT -5
I never did see any "attraction" or "chemistry" between Goren and Nicole upon first meeting, rather than witty bantering between the two.
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Post by rosemary on Jul 21, 2006 12:53:21 GMT -5
They aired the episode last wednesday, over here. I knew the episode, but I enjoyed it very much. There have been Season 4 episodes I liked, but I somehow found that Anti-Thesis has more suspense in it than the whole 4th season (or the last third of the 3rd season). Maybe it's the introduction of the Nicole character, I don't know. Or maybe the whole college atmosphere. I know the whole grad student/assistant professor life as well as the intruiges.
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Post by Patcat on Jul 23, 2006 21:22:19 GMT -5
I imagine that Nicole can have sex with anyone--for her, it's as destructive an act as murder.
Patcat
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Post by sarahlee on Jul 24, 2006 19:28:08 GMT -5
OOOh, good insight, patcat. Didn't BG say she (UO) used sex as a punishment? Promiscuity, especially self-debasement, is a hallmark of sexual abuse.
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Post by rosemary on Jul 25, 2006 5:29:48 GMT -5
To me, it's quite obvious that Nicole was sexually abused. However, it has never been confirmed and so we cannot put it on her Wikipedia page In the context of Nicole's sexuality it is also debatable if she actually is bisexual or just sexually indifferent. Man, woman…what kind of difference does it make? But Goren could actually be one of the few men to actually confront Nicole with the fact that he is not just an object.
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