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Post by janetcatbird on Sept 28, 2006 12:15:16 GMT -5
Could we please lay off the lust? If you find D'Onofrio or anybody else attractive, good for you, but not all of us share your taste. (Caseyswife, please don't think I'm picking on you, it's a general request.) And there are only so many variations of "Oh my gosh, he's so dreamy!" before it gets old/redundant. Thanks!
--Catbird
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Post by Metella on Sept 28, 2006 13:07:19 GMT -5
I have to agree, I don't find VDO attractive at all. (yes, I used to - so I understand) My quip on this .....
VDO = jaguar (looks slick but needs repairs and is not worth the money) CN = Chevy (ok - nice, reliable, and still goes fast)
Please realize that this is not a VDO fan forum and no, not everyone wants some of that. In fact, I actually find it offensive & have been really trying to lay off the posts to that effect so as not to disturb other's enjoyment here, but my own enjoyment has been disturbed by the volume of lust.
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Post by NikkiGreen on Sept 28, 2006 14:09:36 GMT -5
Yes, thanks from me as well.
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Post by SarahIvy on Sept 28, 2006 14:47:28 GMT -5
Could we please lay off the lust? Yes please! I'll fourth that request. It just seems like there's a lot more....uh, swooning, lately. Metella, though I realize you meant it in all seriousness (and I happen to agree), your "disturbed by the volume of lust" line gave me a chuckle. :)
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Post by Metella on Sept 28, 2006 15:04:59 GMT -5
Well it has been tuned up very loud lately, eh? Like neighbors, you want them to have a fun summer party with lots of loud music - but you really don't want to hear it - so you wait until after midnight to consider calling the cops on them. But actually, you were totally correct - when I wrote that I was not trying for a quip or cutie line - I was distressed.
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Post by NikkiGreen on Sept 28, 2006 16:22:05 GMT -5
Finally got around to seeing the episode today. Didn't hate it. Didn't like it. Didn't care about the characters.
Wouldn't have minded if Jonathan LaPaglia's role had been bigger though. At least, Gregory Harrison and Robert Vaughn had slightly bigger roles on SVU.
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Post by caseyswife on Sept 28, 2006 23:05:31 GMT -5
Goren couldn't arrouse her? Then I suspect something other than her hats were too tight! That confirms it - she was one of the walking dead! And I LOVE the "Goren - Cadillac, Logan - Cheverolet" comment, too, Summerfield! caseyswife I modified my post. If this is not sufficient, then please pm me and I will take it all out. Should I change my avatar too?? caseyswife
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Post by Metella on Sept 29, 2006 6:45:35 GMT -5
I don't think a change in post was necessary - just an awareness of this & then a conscious effort to put in nicely named threads. Without all the gushy wording - then your icons seems funny. With the addition of all the actual stuff, it becomes too much for myself - can't speak to others & I do admit I am more strict in my place for everything outlook; so you have to take my opinion for what it is - opinion & not an edict.
Besides, you are welcome to stand up for yourself and tell your side and/or try to convince me otherwise.
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Post by caseyswife on Sept 29, 2006 8:20:13 GMT -5
All I did was respond to Summerfield's comment and add - what I thought, anyway - was a little bit of silliness. With the season premiere just past - and the certainty of new VDO eps every other week - I would think a little gushing is only natural this time of year. (I wasn't here at the beginning of last season - so I don't know for sure). But, don't sweat it - I consider myself on notice. I will keep the VDO comments to a minimum from now on. (Except at the VDO Forum - where I am a mod.) You may now resume your normal thread discussion... Have a nice day... caseywife
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Post by mimi on Sept 29, 2006 12:18:24 GMT -5
I can't say I really like the new format...well not yet.
I understand that Leight would want to give CI his own flavor instead of continuing what Balcer had done before, BUT I have a sense that elements were added/modified in order to satisfy the CI detractors.
The most obvious is the opening: viewers who didn't like CI often critized that the intros were too convoluted. They didn't like to be introduced to all the potential suspects straight from the beginning. Me I liked it, even if you had to pay more attention, this kind of introduction made the viewer aware of things to come: setting the tone about the psychologic surroundings of the victim. For the second week in a row, the opening was too simplified for my own taste.
I think this episode proves the reporter who said that Logan only gets the B-stories right...at least for this one. Even if it wasn't all bad, the episode lacked the luster of past episodes. I think that minor flaws in a plot can be smoothed out by a great performance and/or a charismatic character, in this one everything was in various shades of grey!
But my biggest beef about Tru Luv is the oversimplification of the teacher's behavior. The explanation given about how she behaved didn't made much sense and it pissed me off to have the "intent" part of CI be misrepresented for the second week!
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Post by mimi on Sept 29, 2006 12:27:45 GMT -5
I realize this sort of thing might be condoned and practiced in some parts of the world, but it isn't here thank goodness. And just because others do it doesn't make it right and it doesn't mean I have to accept it. Not so far back, with the blessing of the Church and hiding behind the holy sacrament of marriage 14 year old women were able to get married and therefore having sex with adults in occidental countries. Does it make it more acceptable, I think not, but even here it was practiced and encouraged.
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Post by janetcatbird on Sept 29, 2006 13:44:42 GMT -5
The difference is the view of childhood and adulthood. In the medieval ages it was SOP for females as young as 14 to get married. Once you got through puberty you were an adult--and considering the short lifespans and difficulties of childbirth in the past, you generally wanted to get started young and strong. In the twentieth century, even, my grandparents were getting married at age 18/19 (soon as they got out of high school), and although this has changed in literature from the 19th century a 21 year old unmarried woman is an old-maid spinster. (Contrast this to modern society, where a 21 year old is generallya ccepted as immature crazy youth.) I'm sure there are sociological factors explaining why and how, but modern Western society has the whole transition period of adolescence when you are not fully an adult.
But even laying aside the issue of physical/emotional maturity beyond one's years, Danielle was a teacher in a position of authority, and Keith was a student dependant on her.
--Catbird
PS: Caseyswife, it's very sweet of you to modify, I wasn't expecting that. I guess I should have thrown in "For future reference" or something. Thanks for understanding!
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Post by spaniard on Sept 29, 2006 14:21:18 GMT -5
I like VDO but I try to leave my lust aside, my avatar is a proof of it! by the way, isn´t my dog cute? (ok, ok, no need to answer, as a single woman with cats and dogs, I´ve learned not to expect a nice comment about my pets because I´ve heard there is a mythical land far far away where people don´t consider '13' a reasonable number of cats.). ;D
Don´t worry, I understand that too many references can be annoying, I would be if someone talked too much about another character. I will control myself, my boyfriend is getting annoyed too.
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Post by trisha on Sept 29, 2006 17:23:37 GMT -5
Well, gushing has it's time and place. I say, don't sweat it. If we don't speak up about things that bother us, we either get fed up and leave or we end up getting nasty about it. No one has been nasty, and I hope no one has left over it.
Back to the topic ... I finally watched this again, and I have to say that while I didn't hate it, I didn't love it, either.
The fact of the matter is that Daniel didn't suffer from some kind of psychosis or mental illness that she couldn't help. She was just selfishly reliving her teen years. Selfish criminals are the WORST on CI. They have nothing to hide behind to still call themselves human. Goren would have shredded the B***h for being the cause of such death and destruction over something so trivial that even she is over it by the time they go to trial. Mike shouldn't have pleaded with her to tell the kid, he should have raked her skanky ass over the coals in front of the boy; made her cry, made her show some sign that she's sorry for destroying him for a fantasy whim. IMO, the entire courthouse scene was a waste of time and good story build up.
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Post by Cassie on Oct 1, 2006 12:46:37 GMT -5
I didn't hate Barek nearly as much as everyone else seems to, so I actually thought the remark about her was cheap -- and not on the part of Ross or Logan (with his rolling eyes), but on the part of the writers for including it. OK, she wasn't well liked, but I thought the dig was inappropriate. Thank you for saying that. I too liked Barek, I cant say I loved her…I loved her hats, She was gentle and soft spoken. I know a couple of men, who thought she was down right hot !! Your comment that it was a dig at her through the writers, makes me wonder, are we suppose to jump on the band wagon of dislike, just because they didn’t like her,? Or are they joining the fans into the bashing of the character too? I am not trying to be difficult. The only reason I even mention it is because I spoke up on a list saying that I liked Barek and it was implied by a poster that I needed to accept the consensus that she was NOT liked and that was the way it was to be! As if someone decided Barek was to be picked on!! And to be part of it, or be square!! In the early 1980’s there were 2 movies about farm life here in America. "The River", starring Sissy Spaek and Mel Gibson and "Country" strarring Jessica Lange with Sam Shepard. I read an article about "The River", apparently, Jessica Lange was suppose to have starred in that movie and their was a falling out. She left and the part was given to Sissy Spaek. However, the cow in the movie was named after Jessica because someone was angry with Jessica for bailing out. And that was their way of letting everyone know they were ticked off at her! What I remember most about those 2 movies is “Jessica the cow“ not about the difficulties of farm living in America. The fact of the matter is that Daniel didn't suffer from some kind of psychosis or mental illness that she couldn't help. I don’t think she ever grew up. When the two lovebirds where in the back of the bus, making out. that’s enough evidence to me, she has not matured. Something is not right there, and I agree with Locifan when she says, In the end, I didn't really care whose baby it was, because I didn't believe that Danielle had authentically changed due to her stroll through the Manhattan House of Detention with Logan and Wheeler. Never mind the realism of that... I left this episode with no more insight into Danielle than I started it with. She just seemed freaky, and then even freakier for her flip-flopping. I didn't ever understand her pathology or her rapid turnabout. CI can, and has, and does do better. It's the story that was at fault here. Plain and simple. This is why I feel most of the Law & Order shows need to go to a 2 hour format. There just NOT enough time to get the true story to unfold properly. And I also feel that given the chance just like Mary Kay Letourneau, she will be out there for looking for her man. I mean boy Chris Noth/Logan looks absolutely handsome, I was wondering if Mickyrocks, feels like her hero looks more energized then he did last season?
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