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Post by sobergal95 on Nov 6, 2006 18:40:33 GMT -5
I love all the discussions that go on on this board. I feel like I have to rewatch (AGAIN) and take notes! Because even the smallest detail WILL be picked up by someone here! Heck I check the "20 most recent posts" before I even check my email, (but after my progress on ebay).
I think probably everybody had had the experience of getting a new boss and its not always pleasant. You just get the old one broken in and they throw a new one at you. And the detectives are trying to figure out Ross and he's getting to know them too. On the one hand Deakins was a "touch all the bases" guy and they would check in with him, let him know where they were, what evidence they had etc. Now this guy wants to know whats going on every step of the way, even showing up at the scene occasionally. His memo board behind his deck seems alot more organized than Deakins was. I'm not always sure if I "like" Ross or not but I do respect him. I respect him for the fact that even though he doesn't necessarily agree with his detectives, he does listen to them and give them some room to pursue their theories. He was willing to call the investigation over when they got just a little more information on Fife for the DA, but both Goren and Eames pushed to go further , he let them. (But of course had to tell them what the next move should be). I think he would be a nightmare of a dad at his kids sports games (I dont care what the coach told you, you should play it this way). I imagine they will step on each others toes a few more times, but it will all work out in the end. And if Eames quits, they can always bring in Monk to be Goren's new partner.
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Post by Leticia on Nov 6, 2006 19:23:17 GMT -5
And if Eames quits, they can always bring in Monk to be Goren's new partner. Don't even joke about that! I'm sure Goren would be as fascinated as he was in Probability, but... shudder. This board has increased the quality of my viewing incredibly! I am just about to rewatch Masquerade myself in order to pay attention to the Ross subtleties that passed me by before, but that have been so thoroughly discussed here. 20 Most Recent posts? Hang on. I found it! Cripes that's useful. Thanks for mentioning it!
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Post by nonmanis on Nov 6, 2006 19:25:17 GMT -5
I sure miss Deacon and Carver, Ross is a annoying
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Post by sarahlee on Nov 6, 2006 19:38:52 GMT -5
I sure miss Deacon and Carver, Ross is an annoying ...?
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Post by NicoleMarie on Nov 7, 2006 0:05:21 GMT -5
Now all I have to do is adjust to the fact that a show that was built around Goren explaining the Why of things is now going to be the show of Ross cutting him off with a ring-pull. Do you have *any* idea how hard you just made me laugh?
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Post by elizabethbay on Nov 7, 2006 3:29:55 GMT -5
I'm glad you enjoyed the entertainment portion of the program, NM But seriously, I'm with Sirenna on this: we haven't even seen the episode yet, and still we're having a ball reading everyone's takes. One of the best romping ep threads this season, don't you think? Strong, ably wrought views ( Mimi and NM, you've got an extraordinary pas de deux going) , graceful insights (Effie, you're a treat), and witty riffs (SG95, it takes talent to seamlessly weave doorbells and dogs into a good on-topic commentary). That's just a sampling of the good stuff here, from newbies to the Grand Dragonesses. And everywhere, as Leticia marvelled, detail, detail, detail (song lyrics unearthed, even!) Whole damn thing should have a glow effect around it.
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Post by Patcat on Nov 7, 2006 11:03:03 GMT -5
I'm going to beat my horse (I think it's still alive) again, and remind everyone that it took at least the first two seasons for Deakins to completely trust Goren. And Ross is coming from a situation where it appears he was very much the hands-on leader of a major operation. He's not polite, he does ride the detectives, but he always supports them wholeheartedly to the outside world. I have hopes for him.
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Post by elizabethbay on Nov 7, 2006 14:47:16 GMT -5
Words I'd like to eat: I think that we're seeing the flags of the last lap for Bobby Goren. The emergence of a second power, Ross, the ebbing of Goren (or the waning of his star), the mother that we were told we would never see, is suddenly going to be seen, and not only crazy now, but dying.
True, it took Deakins a few seasons to completely trust Goren, but the Deakins character was always peripheral, if likeable and wonderfully played. Nothing much ever hinged on that relationship. That was the way the series was constructed. There was no jockeying, no serious challenge, no real test of wills. It was the dawn of the series, and Goren was the center of its universe. Is there not a feeling now that LOCI is in its twilight?
Ross is something new completely, a new element not just in the squad room, but in the minds of the creators. If I thought for one minute that this series was looking at a high-ratings run into the future, I might think differently, might put more faith in an eventual ongoing rapprochement between the two characters.
As it is, I don't see the dramatic need for such a development. Ross and Goren may make their peace, after a fashion, before the season ends, and probably will, but I suspect that all the forces now in play, including the predictable death of Frances Goren, are setting us up for Goren's departure - not with a bang, but with a gentle goodbye.
Believe me, Patcat, I want that horse of yours to get up and kick me in the shins when Season 7 rolls around with everything in place as you imagine.
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Post by goreamesfan on Nov 7, 2006 23:13:25 GMT -5
I rewatched this episode the other night especially so I could see the opening of the Coke can (I completely missed it the first time -- I guess this message board hasn't made a good enough viewer of me yet). So now I get it. But what hit me was the scene after that when Ross, Goren and Eames are talking to the ADA who wants to try Fife. At the end of that discussion, Ross shows how effective his directive style can be when plays a little hardball with the ADA. And right after that, you see Goren's reaction, which I read as unabashedly admiring/approving. Even if we don't see Ross' strengths (and I DO), Goren seems to.
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Post by elizabethbay on Nov 8, 2006 5:38:41 GMT -5
None of us know anything,just endless speculation. The only certainty is the end of D'Onofrio's contract and NBC's financial situation.One would seem to preclude the other.Can they afford to extend that? Ah sorry,thats just more speculation! Not necessarily wildly speculative that the end is nigh, or at least not dumb guesswork. Just returned to one of my two favourite interviews with VDO . It's the Salon piece from last September. D'Onofrio talks on point about the end of Goren, about how he and Balcer kick around ideas as to how to finish him off. Foreshadowing, in a way, the plot lines that we are seeing in Season 6, VDO said: You know, Rene and I have to think about the end. That's not for a while, so we have to just keep on doing what we're doing. And then when we decide where the end is,there'll be a whole flux of things that will rise to the surface so that we can finish off Goren[/color].[/i] So I think that's where we're at now. VDO had mentioned staying "a couple of years more" when he did this interview in 2005, but he also talked about Balcer and himself moving on in their careers. Already he was thinking ahead, getting restless. For D'Onofrio, perhaps Balcer's departure accelerated the timetable for his own exit. He and Balcer were such intensely close collaborators. The business side of things which governs the whole exercise, the flagging ratings and escalating costs, may have pushed the timetable forward, too. At any rate, the flux that VDO refers to now seems to be in play. Might be speculation, but I think it's informed speculation. Still :sigh: we can only do the best we can with the info we've got. (If one of you droolfans out there would stop talking about it and just marry VDO, our information would be a whole lot better
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Post by Cassie on Nov 8, 2006 6:05:56 GMT -5
I rewatched this episode the other night especially so I could see the opening of the Coke can (I completely missed it the first time -- I guess this message board hasn't made a good enough viewer of me yet). So now I get it. But what hit me was the scene after that when Ross, Goren and Eames are talking to the ADA who wants to try Fife. At the end of that discussion, Ross shows how effective his directive style can be when plays a little hardball with the ADA. And right after that, you see Goren's reaction, which I read as unabashedly admiring/approving. Even if we don't see Ross' strengths (and I DO), Goren seems to. Oh Goreneames, I do like Ross, I see his strengths as a leader, I think he is bright and funny, with a bit of chip on his shoulder about some things. Goren being one of them Ross is refereshing to me. He's a diamond in the rough!! I loved Deakins, but James Sheridan's role was 1/2 the size of Ross. Thanks for the tip about the scene. I will check it out Oh and I do feel, since Ross's role is bigger then Deakins, that his character knits a bridge for the two sets of detectives going from one episode to another more then with Deakins and Carver Deakins,and Carvers roles were supporting roles. While I see Ross's role more as a lead role.
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Post by sobergal95 on Nov 8, 2006 16:51:04 GMT -5
At any rate, the flux that VDO refers to now seems to be in play. Might be speculation, but I think it's informed speculation. Still :sigh: we can only do the best we can with the info we've got. (If one of you droolfans out there would stop talking about it and just marry VDO, our information would be a whole lot better I would volunteer, just to help out my new friends on this board, but then I'd have to take all the VDO wallpaper off my laptop... And the "Goren peering into the dryer" is too wonderful. You know its bad when your 8 year old niece makes fun of your TV/movie boyfriends. (But she has a whole new respect for VDO since I showed her Men In Black: "your boyfriends a BUG!" and my witty retort is "well yours is a pirate", refering to the Pirates of the Caribbean movie but Im such a nerd I don't even know their names).
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Post by SarahIvy on Nov 9, 2006 21:17:04 GMT -5
Agreed, Janet....no running around, no shouting, no screaming, no huge blowouts, just a good slow burn. This episode was pitch perfect, and probably my favorite of the season so far.
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Post by NicoleMarie on Nov 10, 2006 1:07:44 GMT -5
(If one of you droolfans out there would stop talking about it and just marry VDO, our information would be a whole lot better No, thanks. I don't think and I would get along!
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Post by sarahlee on Nov 10, 2006 12:38:47 GMT -5
(If one of you droolfans out there would stop talking about it and just marry VDO, our information would be a whole lot better No, thanks. I don't think and I would get along! ...but it would be fun to try...*sarahlee drooling on cue*
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