Leticia
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Post by Leticia on Nov 10, 2006 21:32:18 GMT -5
I was just rewatching this episode, and liking it both more and less. It really is a high quality episode with a good plot, believable motives and good acting (I've seen less of all three in some episodes this season), but it still bothers me a little. It's just so... unbelievable. I know that sounds silly given some of the plots that have appeared on CI over the years, but I just can't see it really happening. I think it's partly because I have actually heard of the case this was ripped from (being in the UK I miss many of the real life stories, I mostly just get the non US origins like 'Phantom' and 'DAW') but it is also a bit far fetched. If Goren and Eames had swooped in the day after the murder and solved it I could believe it, but discovering fourteen years later that your daughter's killer is the best friend (he seemed like it) and neighbour who has devoted their life to sheltering you and making money speculating on the death, never even moving from next door. It's a bit Hollywood. Although I suppose that is kind of apt for this episode.
Anyway, I'm not saying it couldn't happen, but it's not all that likely. I don't understand why Nate didn't move far far away where his son wouldn't be tempted by the mother's constant presence to confess.
In fact, that is my problem with several of the episodes this season. I don't believe them in the same way I used to. Blind Spot was well executed enough to make me forget it, but the Logan episodes have all had silly elements- unexplained regression to teenhood, huge brawls between the Fire Department and the Police, Country Crossover almost as whole. For all I know some of these things have really happened, but I don't get a ring of truth as I once did.
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Post by sarahlee on Nov 12, 2006 20:27:20 GMT -5
I got to see this again, and was even more creeped out by Mr. Sesame Log. Everything about him was off. He seems to flirt with Goren by leaning in with his shoulder, getting just a little too close, widening his eyes and pursing his lips, all the while whispering about his "pure love" of Amberleigh. *shudder* Talk about adverse affect!
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Post by sarahlee on Nov 13, 2006 1:45:28 GMT -5
janetH--his scene with Beth at her table, remarkable. Goren starts out a little wary of her, dare I say, disgusted? But then, almost against his will, he turns tender, concerned. He does manipulate her, gently, into revealing the true nature of her relationship with Amberleigh--and I saw his flash of surprise, when he realized that Beth did not kill her daughter. Beautiful. I love watching this man act.
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Post by dogonecute on Nov 14, 2006 10:57:37 GMT -5
I look for this being the end of vincent, something tells me that he may be following renee and may be doing one of his new cop shows for next fall.
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Post by sarahlee on Nov 18, 2006 1:01:02 GMT -5
Not only the "masks we all wear", but the "masque we all dance to". Every character dances the dance of death--Amberleigh/Nate, Goren/Mother, Nate/the doomed wife, Jamie/secrets, Beth/Amberleigh, Fife/Sanity; even Eames still has the memory of Death thwarted dancing in her psyche. Masks and masques at the Masquerade-- the masks may change, the players may leave, but the dance goes on and on.
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peachybc
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Post by peachybc on Nov 18, 2006 7:28:56 GMT -5
I look for this being the end of vincent, something tells me that he may be following renee and may be doing one of his new cop shows for next fall. While Vincent may depart CI at some point, I don't see him following Rene to be the new bipolar forensic profiler character in Rene's new shows simply because that would mean VDO would be back to full time, lead schedule hours. And that's something I doubt VDO will ever sign up for again.
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Post by sobergal95 on Nov 18, 2006 19:27:32 GMT -5
I agree, I don't see him signing on for tv again, I thought the main reason he agreed to this series was to be in New York full time with his family. I don't necessarily believe this will be the last season, but you never know. I'm trying to enjoy each episode as it comes and not project too much into the future. And I am enjoying the Logan/Wheeler episodes more than with Barek last season. I think they've done a better job writing Ross and Wheeler in than they did in the past.
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Post by SarahIvy on Nov 19, 2006 3:51:31 GMT -5
Hah, yes, the Coca Cola product placement....I suppose it doesn't bother me much. Until others mention it here I don't really notice. I mean truly, they're going to be getting snacks out of vending machines, it's reasonable that there would be a soda can on screen now and then (in fact, wasn't there a soda in "Cruise to Nowhere" too? I don't recall if it was brand specific though).
Making for good repeats indeed, Janet. I find each time I watch a LOCI episode I notice new layers and details. That's the beauty of it!
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Post by Sirenna on Nov 21, 2006 8:37:48 GMT -5
Yes, I think vincent may bow out of tv for a while and go back to movies. He's always said that was something he wanted at the end of the this.
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Post by caseyswife on Nov 29, 2006 12:59:34 GMT -5
Janethyland, another great episode disection from you! Always makes me want to go back and find all the nuances that you so deftly seek and find... And definitely one of the reasons I still find myself heading to this board! caseyswife
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Post by filmnoir5 on Dec 1, 2006 22:22:10 GMT -5
Janethyland, another great episode disection from you! Always makes me want to go back and find all the nuances that you so deftly seek and find... And definitely one of the reasons I still find myself heading to this board! caseyswife Again an excellent review for a very good episode. I thought Liza Minnelli was very good in this episode. I just wish they would rerun this episode over the holidays since it was hampered by Halloween and the first return episode of House.
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Post by sobergal95 on Dec 11, 2006 2:00:01 GMT -5
I re-watched this episode this evening, and see Beth (Liza) quite differently than I did before. She seemed soo creepy the first time through, but now I am struck at just how loving a person she is. She sticks up for the dead mother telling Jamie, "Thats not true, your mother loved you very much". In my fantasy of their futures after Nate goes to the slammer, Beth and Jamie unofficially "adopt" one another; Jamie has missed his mother's love and Beth has plenty to give.
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Post by sobergal95 on Dec 11, 2006 2:55:43 GMT -5
Well, I do change my mind ALOT. Ask me again tomorrow I may have another opinion altogether! As for the Logan/Wheeler episodes I don't see the "depth" you usually write in your posts; however I still see an underlying theme of "truth/deception" in both "Blasters" and "Weeping Willow". Especially so in WW, coupled with Stephanie S's wonderfully dark humor and love of irony. She loves "villians" with huge egos that cause their downfall. Looking back over her writing credits, she's written some of my favorite episodes in general, but especially my favorite "villians": Marion and Harvey in "Unrequited" and Harry the hitman who stashed a body in the freezer next to the leg of lamb and rocky road ice cream in "Dead". Plus Logans pretty much out-snarking Eames so far this season ;D Go Stephanie S, you rock!
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Post by Techguy on Dec 11, 2006 3:23:22 GMT -5
I think Ms. SenGupta must have Proverbs 16:18 prominently displayed and in view wherever she writes. If ever there is a phrase to describe her haughty and arrogant CI villains, it's "pride goeth before the fall."
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Post by Sirenna on Dec 27, 2006 19:25:51 GMT -5
very interesting, sobergal especially the blanche dubois connection! Insightful. I think G/E meet a lot of life's strays in their job; lots of meth, drug, alchohol and other 'ics' - people who have a hard time meeting life on an even keel unless they have a crutch. Also a profiler, such as Goren, knows that addictive behaviour manifests itself in predictable patterns, emotional outbursts and clues and a vulnerability that would make for useful plot writing from the writer's perspectives.
12 step rules, as well as anything else really, is easily accessible on the internet. I know people who've been through it so I have a passing familiarity with it. Woody Allen's Hanna and Her Sisters had Barbara Hershey going to AA meetings for fun because it was so friendly and supportive, LOL!
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