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Post by Major Hathaway on Feb 12, 2005 8:01:28 GMT -5
beep beep beep ........
I've been tempted a few times to step in with a stop sign; but it was working its way out. The only things I am truly concerned about is that posters not censor themselves (so far as to not express their thoughts) in order to pacify others. Please continue to be courteous, but also truthful in how you are looking at issues
be careful about assuming what another's intent is; please focus and post on how you feel about the post & what you think is appropriate; I have my own idea about vance's intent and it is not so very obvious; however the post has brought to light a decent point that has awakened many members, so that is a good thing.
I now return you to your entertaining hashing out ..............
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Post by NicoleMarie on Feb 12, 2005 9:37:37 GMT -5
Hey, just for the record, I do believe D'Onofrio is part to blame, in one way or another, for the shake up on CI. And I'd like nothing more than to slap the snot out of him for it. I also believe there are other things going on, that may or may not be brought to light for us to know about. I don't place the shake up directly on D'onofrio, I also place the "blame" on everyone involved with the descion making of the show, like the geniuses who decided to bring the Logan character on CI. hehehehe. Anyhoo, D'Onofrio maybe a big prick but, I will refrain from insulting him personally (though I actually would like to at this moment!) And I hope others will refrain from personally insulting him too. That is what upset me in the first place. I just don't like anyone to talk bad about anyone. Maybe it is a flaw or naievty (sp?) on my part but, I guess that's just my nature.
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Post by trisha on Feb 12, 2005 9:55:21 GMT -5
At the risk of being admonished, I'm going to go ahead and respond with my honest reaction to all this.
If you don't like it here, go away!
No one forced you to come here, no one is forcing you to stay. But if you want to stay, then shut up about this circle nonsense and simply get along with the other posters.
It's not hard.
Just read their thoughts, and post yours in return. Do it as frequently or infrequently as you like, and, as long as you follow the forum guideline and faq, you'll get along just fine with the rest of us.
Vance, good riddance. You were a cool and fun poster until you decided to play psychopath and machine gun the board on a reflex. Please don't come back. Ever.
I had the same initial reaction, disgust, to Ointmentfly being chased off a second time. Did I shoot up the other posters? No. I was calm and polite when I asked them to please get along with people they don't agree with.
This is what people in the mental health field would call a healthy reaction to conflict. If only we could all be so well adjusted [/smirk] (<--- me laughing at myself)
Seriously, there is no separate circle. I admit that there is an inner circle here that is partially made up of the core susa board posters from way back when, but notice the word partially. We have been infiltrated by others who gained access to the inner sanctum by *shock* being nice! They hung out with us in the off topic boards, read our personal stories and shared some of theirs. We are not stopping any of you from jumping into the squad or other tv talk and getting to know us better, and in turn, letting us get to know you.
So, don't give us that crap about being shunned. It's not only not true, it's quite the opposite. You make it clear by not chatting with us about other stuff that it is YOU who desire a separate circle. And did we ever try to stop you?
No.
We let you have your fun however you wanted to have it. So what's the problem now? Do you want us to leave yet another message board so that you can have 3 all to yourselves?
If so, screw you. We're staying. You can leave. The exit is in the upper right corner (the little red x) Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.
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Post by romulanavatra3 on Feb 12, 2005 11:06:10 GMT -5
" So, don't give us that crap about being shunned. It's not only not true, it's quite the opposite. You make it clear by not chatting with us about other stuff that it is YOU who desire a separate circle. And did we ever try to stop you?" trisha i hope that the this was not directed at me, if it was, ireally do not know what to say. if not please just ignore my above post. reagrds rom.
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Post by trisha on Feb 12, 2005 11:40:46 GMT -5
Of coarse not, Rom! It was directed mainly at Velocity and that sort of egocentric mentality that seems pervasive on message boards these days.
Most of us have a very limited amount of time to engage in the self indulgence of tv shows and internet message boards. Many of us only have time to catch up on what's been said so far, and add one or two comments in response. So, you can't take it personally if everyone doesn't jump up to reply to your every post -- especially if you are merely making a statement of opinion without engaging in the opinions of others.
This is a community, not a shout box.
This is also a board that was founded on intelligent conversation, so if you feel shunned because all you do is post how great VDO is: DUH! What did you think was going to happen? There are other boards where that type of posting is the norm. This is not one of them, and moderators willing, it never will be. The occasional gush post is fine, but if it's all you have to say, the purpose for your membership here is self evident, and not appreciated.
BUT, when was anyone ever admonished for a gush post? Can you give me a specific example? We may not respond to them ... how could we? ... but we've never told anyone to stop it, let alone ridiculed them for it. And I, for one, don't appreciate the allegation.
So, if Velocity wants to leave, she can go. No need to insult everyone with false accusations on the way out.
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Post by NicoleMarie on Feb 12, 2005 12:31:44 GMT -5
If you don't like it here, go away! I hope none of this was directed at me, either. I never said I did not like the board, the community, or anything else. I have been here for several months and have never insulted the board or anyone on it. I have only tried to post my thoughts and reactions to things the past couple days. As I said before, it was not my intention to be mean or try to run anyone off. I have tried to make my peace. I hope I have. I hope no one is mad at me because I am not mad at anyone. If anyone is mad at me, please tell me or PM me. ETA: Maybe this post was is totally unnecessary but, I'm just a bit too paranoid at times. LOL!! ;D
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Post by darmok on Feb 12, 2005 12:58:50 GMT -5
No, don't go away if you don't like it here. That won't resolve anything. If you didn't like the board at all, that would be one thing. But if it's just that this one thread's gone awry and brought out the worst in people, it's best to stick around. Things will settle down. I get the feeling, if I am wrong, excuse me, but the "orginals" talk/respond to each other and the newbies spin in a seperate circle. I don't disagree with this opinion, although I don't think it's intentional. People have different interests, and it does seem there are two different circles talking. This is find until they collide like they have recently.
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Post by Metella on Feb 12, 2005 13:02:37 GMT -5
ohhh I hope none of that was directed at meeeeee
Oh STOP IT. Who cares? If it was, think about it and either leave or decide to engage this board as Trisha suggests. If it wasn't, why bring it up.
Rom, you know I am fond of you - but christ already - why do you often assume that you have offened someone, or someone is angry at you? I have NEVER been angry with you, NEVER been offended by you & only annoyed by your need to be reassured that you are a well liked member of this forum. Now, I really do like when you get riled up enough to post out a sort of "this is what I think & I don't care if you agree post" so I certainly hope you post as much as you are comfortable with.
Now, Rom, still my Knight in Shining Armor; are you offended at my post? I hope not, as no offense was ment, just pointing out how I see your questions.
Hum .... I never took the time to realize that a majority of the posters here only post on CI and/or Goren .... interesting. I have to go along with most of what Trisha says; but I (WILL - MAY) make unabashed sport of any poster here who ONLY gushes on how handsome D'Onofrio is & other such .... if they have other things in their post I MAY let them off easily. I am not as tolerant of pink/fuzzy/warm/gushy posts as maybe I should be.
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Post by Metella on Feb 12, 2005 13:12:03 GMT -5
oh oh I just read from Darmok's response a bit a missed the first time out ..... shunned by me? no one is, I will love ya, make fun of ya, argue with ya, or cyber slap ya; but I will not ignor you if you are asking for my response on anything.
there are, as Trisha said, many posters who joined this board not being of the "old guard" who now are looked at in the same group - so this is not a closed membership; what it is is a sharing group that shares trials, all-nighters, joys and pain and we all feel more connected ... but note, we are pretty good at sniffing out the imposters; and they are not encouraged. So, that is what it takes, giving us your true thoughts; honesty and engagement and BOOM .... you are in. Oh so f***ing simple. Yet oh so impossible for many.
I want all our posters to stay and have fun - so please do and feel free to start any new threat in the squad room to engage me in any topic you want to. I didn't think this was an especially harsh thread; just one disgruntled person; a few responses - of course with some emotion; but nothing wild.
Lets get back to Noth: Love or Hate and take any more of this fun debatable stuff to the water cooler in the squad room.
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Post by NicoleMarie on Feb 12, 2005 15:26:47 GMT -5
I think Rom and I are just paranoid. I, of course, loathe Logan. Question: has anyone seen the commercials for Sunday's CI? I usually get tricked by commercials but all I could think when I saw it was "GRR". It appears Logan has not changed a bit.
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Post by darmok on Feb 12, 2005 15:41:31 GMT -5
Back to the subject at hand...
I am not going to try to hypothesize as to whether any bad behavior on D'Onofrio's part is behind this. Since I don't know, it wouldn't be fair to pass judgment. At the very least, D'Onofrio's November absence made Dick Wolf realize that he was no longer "actor proof." I hope he's just hedging his bets and not actually planning to let D'Onofrio go before he decides to on his own.
As for the show, there will be a lot of pressure on this new partner to maintain the psychological aspect of the show. Everyone seems to agree (whether or not they like Noth) that the Logan character, as written so far, can't carry that aspect of the show. So we'll have to see.
Given that Stress Position was planned before D'Onofrio's fainting spells, I wonder how much of a preview we'll actually get. I don't know that it was filmed, but it had to have been written already; so there is probably no lead in for Logan's character to return (although they could have added something). NBC is using the announcement to really push the episode (have you ever seen so much press for LOCI?), but I think the episode will be stand-alone. From what I read of the script on the Reel site, it should be a great episode. My point is, that even after Sunday's episode, I'll have to reserve my judgment of the direction of the show. The episode won't be indicative of the next season.
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Post by Metella on Feb 12, 2005 16:25:17 GMT -5
Yes, it seems I am seeing a great deal more of promotion for this episode than any other, even the stupid vote for Nicole's ending one.
I like the look of the promos - seems to me they are trying to make Logan look like as cool a detective as Goren. Nothing like setting the stage visually even if it has nothing to do with the episode.
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Post by Patcat on Feb 12, 2005 18:00:51 GMT -5
Just remember, just because someone disagrees with you, it doesn't mean they dislike you. Nor does it mean that they are not as bright as you. Or that you're dumber than them.
The blessing of the Internet is that you don't have to have personal contact with anyone. The problem with the Internet is that you don't have to have personal contact with anyone (g). There's a lot of things missed when you can't see and/or hear the person you're in conversation with. Ointmentfly(and I don't mean to pick on you, by anymeans--this is just a handy example) might not have realized that I mean my statement with gentle skepticism and not any kind of anger or such.
And before we "blame" anyone at LOCI for anything, let's see how this works out. I've expressed my concern over how well the character of Logan can fit in with LOCI, but the show might pull this off. This might be the perfect solution that brings Chris Noth and Logan back into the L&O Universe, keeps LOCI going, and lets Mr. D'Onofrio and Ms. Erbe stay with the show.
And re. Mr. D'Onofrio's behavior--well, there have always been stories that he's difficult to work with. Against that one can put the fact that a lot of people he's worked with are willing to work with him again and that many people--Renee Zwelleger for one--have terrific things to say about him. Some posters here claim he's behaved badly on the LOCI set and that they have knowledge of this, and they may be telling the truth. (And I'm not accusing anyone of anything here--just that we really don't have a way of verifying this). Against that we have Dick Wolf and other people's public statements and the fact that Mr. Wolf certainly hasn't hesitated to fire people in the past.
I'd like to think Vincent D'Onofrio is a nice guy. Probably, like most people, he has a light and dark side--heck, he probably has to have a dark side to play the characters he does. But in the end all any actor owes us is his or her work.
These are my opinions, and I'm sorry if I went on too long.
Patcat (who's really only sure of this: Life is too short for cheap beer and weak coffee.)
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Post by KATIE on Feb 12, 2005 22:53:45 GMT -5
Well I was going to write something but Pattcat just put It so well without Insulting or speculating on anything or anyone, Bravo! However I would like to say like always that this fan board Is the one, and regarless of some remarks here and there by new and old posters and the odd blow In be proud that you always make discussion an Ipmportant part of any topic upset. At least members say how they feel with posters remarks and that Is a good thing to share your feelings. Vincent?Goren/CI Its all the same one man, one character, one show, not enough to get upset or lose friends we make on these boards, and I do have friends, I know what they look like and we send gifts too so It Is much more than backslapping each other, Its human nature Its life as we know It, but Im a peace maker and at the end of the day Its just not worth It. love to all Katie
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Post by romulanavatra3 on Feb 13, 2005 0:59:18 GMT -5
hey mettlea no reason really, it is porabbly a minor chracter flaw but that is about it, i have always been a little pensive i guess. oh well i guess i need not be worried. as for your post no it did offend me. oh and thanks for the compliment by the way. reagrds rom.
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