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Post by psychochik on Jan 16, 2006 14:29:19 GMT -5
Ohhh and did you see Goren wave at the one guy, after they were done questioning him. like" Tootles" he was cute there Yeah I noticed that too, it was quite humorous, whether it was him dropping the tack or half waving, it was funny. Kinda like the coffee and sugar scene in Scared Crazy, its the little things !!! LoL As for the episode I honestly didnt see the Nicole twist coming, that definately threw me, but it was an effective way to throw Nicole in there without needing her to be in the episode. Just keeps it open for another visit from her. Not sure if I like that or not. If they bring her back I hope its to get rid of her. It seems as though this season is getting a little bit better with each episode, its definately making more progress at this point of the season than last season. I was really having a hard time watching Michael York play a bad guy, all I kept saying was, no Basil !! Too much Austin Powers. LoL I totally thought this episode was a good one, the head in the fridge was a little wierd, I mean, its obvious they tried to move the fridge so no one would find it, and since they couldnt, dont you think it would have just been more logical to move the head ? That was the only part I didnt like, granted it was a pretty big piece of the puzzle, but still. The sisters thing was quite wierd, I still dont quite get that. Definately need to watch again. Overall I think this was a good one and is showing the writers still have it and that Vincent and Kathryn are showing a lil more pep this season, they are definately getting back to the Goren and Eames I fell in love with a while ago. Two enthusiastic thumbs up from Tina !!! ;D
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Post by janetcatbird on Jan 16, 2006 14:48:41 GMT -5
Just a quick note before I hit the road to go back to school. I was annoyed that they automatically assumed it was Nicole who killed Thierry. She can't be the only person who's seriously hacked with him. And besides, no taunt for Goren? That's not like her.
And since Blondie did not actually appear in person in this episode, someone else can take the poll. I'm not so bad a seagull. Besides, I gotta save the titles for when she really does show up.
--Catbird
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Post by Greeble on Jan 16, 2006 15:03:22 GMT -5
I think the hypodermic was the taunt. She didnt have to leave it. She got away with it right under his nose. Revenge, and a taunt all in one gift package.
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Post by maherjunkie on Jan 16, 2006 15:15:03 GMT -5
I was surprised how much they referred to the women as ageing . Michael York is no spring chicken.
Best visual:Untucked shirt!
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Post by NikkiGreen on Jan 16, 2006 15:50:20 GMT -5
Pretty good episode over all. Except for the ending; like Metella, I thought the ending was a little too 'subdued', like they already knew the guy was dead before they got to him, so why bother rushing to where the screams are coming from! I quite enjoyed Michael York. I thought he was fabulous. And he certainly looks great for someone who'll soon be 64. LOCIfan, Hilary was played by Dana Wheeler-Nicholson. Poor Patcat! No second set of keys? Since I first learned to drive, my father drilled it into me that I 'must carry a second set' in my purse at all times.
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Post by psychochik on Jan 16, 2006 16:04:19 GMT -5
Best visual:Untucked shirt! I agree. I was very happy to see that. I also need to mention the fact that everyone seems to look less exhausted this year, Kathryn and Vincent particularly, I dont see bags under their eyes !! Michael York did a fantastic job playing the sleeze that he did. The references to the aging ladies was quite cruel, and left me wondering why they would hang around for that kind of abuse. Its not like they were completely incapable of going out and being sucessful on their own. He must have been quite mesmerizing to keep them under his thumb the way he did.
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Post by mimi1802 on Jan 16, 2006 17:23:06 GMT -5
I don't have time to post but I do have a quick question:
Did people seriously believed that Michael York/Bernard could be French (like French from France)?
I can understand that in public someone could fake a British accent but to do it ALL THE TIME...and even so...I've heard the French speak English!
I'm really dumbfounded: does putting a British actor and trying to pass him as French really work in the US because it surely brought a chuckle here?
This sounded more odd after Goren detected the Thai accent when Bernard spoke Chinese.
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Post by janetcatbird on Jan 16, 2006 18:43:07 GMT -5
Earlier in the thread, someone commented that "didn't have a pot to piss in" should have been a tip-off to the Nicole link. It's a fairly common expression, so I'm not sure it would be a tell. "Donnez-moi un break" or "Butter your parsnips", however, would have been a big 'ol honkin' red flag. I thoguht it amusing how they had a scene in a nice shoe store, as in "Anti-thesis"; a throwback but not in-your-face.
"Such-and-such prison in Thailand--my skin's already crawling." I love Deakins. Give the man something to do! And lose the bright red tie, it was unusual for him and I got distracted.
And if Goren doesn't quit moving in on the ME's territory I'm gonna get furious. I was actually yelling at the TV: "Beat him, Rogers!" All she did was roll her eyes and stand there annoyed. Honey, you can hold your own on the other shows so put him in his place! One of these days Rogers is gonna go upside his head with that clipboard. If the writers ever allow her to shoot down Goren's theories with forensic evidence he somehow missed I will be a very happy camper. Especially if she and Eames get to exchange some sort of "Ha!" look.
Michael York was very good as a slimebag, what else has he been in? Impressed by the actresses who played the gaggle of blondes.
--Catbird
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Post by psychochik on Jan 16, 2006 19:05:55 GMT -5
I didnt think he stepped quite as far over his boundry last night with the m.e. but in Grow, he totally did, I thought they did that lady a great unjustice by having him just come in there and see the bruises and then check his mouth, that actually irritated me, and not much about this show irritates me that much. They right the m.e. as a pretty big part in other shows, why not with this one ?? She is a fine actress and should be allowed to have some time in the spotlight. Sheesh.
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Post by Cassie on Jan 16, 2006 20:58:03 GMT -5
As for the episode I honestly didnt see the Nicole twist coming, that definately threw me, Me too Seeing the previews for the show, The first thought that went through my mind was the "Witches Of Eastwick". Remember that movie with Jack Nicholson and his 3 woman.. Also earlier this year, I read somewhere that there was going to be a show on Nicole’s ex-boyfriend from Thailand, based on the book "Serpentine" by Thomas Thompson. I started to read the book, so I would be ready for the episode. And I thought the name of the episode was going to be called "Serpentine" too. So, I was totally taken off guard. I thought it was quite interesting that Bernard showed up in New York four years ago. Which is about the same time that Nicole came to town. Yet, I find it a little hard to believe that he hadn’t bumped into her yet. Especially since it was so easy for her to reach out and touch him on the court house steps. Also, I got the feeling that Nicole has been on the run from this man, yet why does she stay in New York? Is it because of Goren? I see that Nicole is at a point in her life, where she is caught in between the likes of Bernard’s obvious evil, and Goren who seems to be a bright light in her world, unable to quite make the decision which way she wants to go . I myself have noticed glimpses of her wanting to change. Wanting to be a mother to Gwen in the episode "Grow." Sometimes she makes right decision like giving up Gwen, other times poor one like killing Bernard. Is she any different then you and I, in making poor decision sometimes? Not that we would kill somebody. Then again we were not brainwashed by someone who teaches people to kill. Years ago there was a movie called "The Scarlet and the Black" based on the true story of a priest, named Monsr. Hugh O'Flaherty (Gregory Peck) who was serving at the Vatican in Rome during World War II. He helped Jews and POW’s hide and escape Italy during the war.. While SS Col. Herbert Kapler. (Christopher Plummer) did his best to catch and arrest Him. The priest, was put under house arrest and never allowed to leave Vatican City. Althought he did put on disguiese and walk the streets of Rome on occassion. After the war was over, The SS Colonel received life imprisonment for his war crimes. The priest came at least once a week to visit the Colonel in Prison. After a good 20 years or more. The Nazi was baptized by the priest into the Catholic Faith......... I don’t really expect to see Nicole baptized. I just like the idea of Good overcoming evil......at least her trying to. Oh and I personally think that Det Goren and Captain Deakins need to get out of their police manuals and read up on how to handle evidence. Goren grabs the typewriter, without his latex gloves and opens its up and takes out the ink ribbon. Deakins then says something like “you better get that down to the lab to be dusted for fingerprints“. Shouldn’t they have done before Goren took the ribbon?
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Post by NicoleMarie on Jan 16, 2006 21:42:55 GMT -5
I wasn't caught off guard with this one. I think it was rather obvious that Benard was the ever mentioned boyfriend. I agree with what I saw on that Twop board (Thanks Rosemary!): that Benard came off looking like a doofus. I find it hard to swallow that he taught Nicole anything, most likey, it's the other way around. Benard is nothing like Nicole. He was in awe of her and said she was, in his words, "a natural". Goren said to Benard that he wondered if Nicole would have been different had she not met him. It seemed as if Goren wanted to blame Benard for all of Nicole's killings and other misdeeds. I found this ludicrous. Nicole is to blame for her actions, not Benard. She chose the life she leads. I believe Benard proves she would have turned out the way she did anyway. I do not believe Nicole was brain-washed or "trained". She has spent the past 10 plus years on here own killing people on different continents. Considering how weak Benard seemed, I think it's more than likey Nicole did the killings in Thailand, since Benard had others do everything for him. I think the idea that Nicole wants to change is baloney and these redeem her ridiculous and infuriating at the same time. I find it odd that CI is attempting to redeem Nicole instead of have her be held accountable gfor her crimes. If Nicole sincerely wanted to change, she wouldn't keep killing. I said she would, and of course she did. I found it a bit disturbing that Goren and Eames just stood over Benard's body like "Oh well, Nicole killed someone else". I also found it odd that Nicole would kill Benard. He was absolutley enchanted by her. The reason I can think of is the reasons Nicole usually kills: he was no longer useful to her. or was a threat to her. I don't see how he was a threat unless she thought he would tell Goren something worthwhile about her. I thought this was a very good one until the end. It had that old vibe back. Just a thought but, maybe those Nicole-in-training's will finish Nicole off.
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Post by NicoleMarie on Jan 16, 2006 21:44:53 GMT -5
For the first time ever, I am stumped on what "grade" to give an episode!!
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Post by NicoleMarie on Jan 16, 2006 21:52:31 GMT -5
I don't have time to post but I do have a quick question: Did people seriously believed that Michael York/Bernard could be French (like French from France)? I thought it was funny that Goren could hear a Thai accent in Benard's Chinese accent yet he couldn't hear a French accent in his English accent. ;D Right after Goren noticed the accent thing I thought "Here comes the Nicole connection!!!!" ;D
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Post by NicoleMarie on Jan 16, 2006 21:58:12 GMT -5
Goren dropping the ceiling tack in the guys was a throwback to the old Goren. Loved that. Loved Eames sarcastic "And you didn';t know it was stolen?" And loved Goren's animation and expression when he realized the toilet was stolen from one the apartment.
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Post by LOCIfan on Jan 16, 2006 22:07:24 GMT -5
Just curious:
NicoleMarie and others who saw the Nicole twist coming -- was it because you'd read snippets of the script (when it was titled "Serpentine") on the reelvincent site or because of other things you'd heard/read online, including here where I think it was commented on in the "Future Episode" thread, or because you just "got it" early on in the episode?
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