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Post by Moonbeam on Mar 31, 2010 9:01:32 GMT -5
I think the interim captain was the arson investigator from "On Fire." A few thoughts: If Ross was working for the FBI, doesn't "I sold my soul" sound a bit off? What does that mean? He sold his soul for the FBI? Goren getting physical, touching Rodgers, hugging Eames. Goren has always been challenged when it comes to computers. It's always been Eames who's done that work. "Blink" and "Semi-Detatched" come to mind. Does ordering a cup of coffee after jogging seem odd? It was nice to see Goren engaged, back in that suit and doing the lean. I don't remember the poster, but I have to agree. They're sending Goren down that road again?
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Post by lovebug on Mar 31, 2010 9:26:49 GMT -5
I'm rushing of to a business meeting so I'm reposting comments I made on the USA board. I'll check in later to read other posts.
There was so much wrong with this episode; the good scenes were like trying to "find Waldo"
For starters I felt the story was overly contrived and some the dialogue/scenes seem to have been written by someone who has never watched an episode. Examples: Eames "running" and happening upon Captain Ross with a woman 1) Who looks like a million bucks when their out for a run? (Erbe does look lovely with her hair pulled back) 2) Goren calling Captain Ross by his last name "Ross", when exactly has that ever happened? Also Eames commented about "our Captain getting his life together" Ross divorced awhile back and dated ME Rodgers for a time, so when exactly was his (Ross) life not together (I'm convinced these new writers don't watch the show) Also; upsetting to me: Ross's death scene. The writer's should have put more effort into that, I would have preferred to see our Captain dying as a result of a dramatic double-cross or while coming to the aide of a stranger, not in the back seat of a car (where was the bullet-proof vest and FBI backup???) I just think we fans deserved a heroic death for Captain Ross. Now for what I did like: I loved Eames at the crime scene; I thought Eames was spot on and the true star of Loyalty I. The scene where Bobby try's to comfort her and she leans against him for a moment before composing herself was pure Eames. I also enjoyed Goldblum's understated Nichols character (this IS the G/E finale after all) I really hope Loyalty II is better!
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Post by peterinmanhattan on Mar 31, 2010 9:30:22 GMT -5
David Zayas is the actor who portrayed the interim captain. He was born in Puerto Rico and raised in the Bronx, which might explain his accent, but I still thought his speech pattern was off. I did however like that he wasn't the atypical higher-up NYPD brass, who seemingly always butt heads with Major Case's investigations.
I believe that Eames ordered the coffee only as a means of obscuring herself with the coffee truck whilst spying on Ross.
And Moonbeam, that was me: tis that long and winding road once again for Detective Robert O. Goren
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Post by Moonbeam on Mar 31, 2010 9:55:17 GMT -5
Ross was just telling the FBI agent he was in. DUH I suppose you're right about the coffee thing. My initial reaction was...huh coffee? Why not water?
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Post by annabelleleigh on Mar 31, 2010 10:29:45 GMT -5
Actually, AL, Walon Green is the one who wrote "All In" and "Alpha Dog," both pretty bad episodes. So if you were upset by the episode's quality, that's really the norm for him. I on the other hand, really liked it. I'm glad you enjoyed "Loyalty Part 1" Angua. However, actually, this script is not the norm for award-winning scenarist and producer Walon Green. He's been a member of the Wolf Pack for more than two decades, and mentor to CI creator Rene Balcer who enthusiastically backed his appointment as CI showrunner. Before (and during) his association with the L&O franchise (including 66 episodes of the mothership), he wrote for "Hill Street Blues" among other vaunted series ("ER," "Millennium" to name just two). Green also produced the ground-breaking documentary "The Secret Life of Plants;" and etched his legacy forever in filmdom as screenwriter for the classic western "The Wild Bunch." He wrote last season's "Ladies Man" which I enjoyed thoroughly. I hope Mr. Green ties up all the characters, sub-plots, and doubtful details in the conclusion of "Loyalty" next week. Personally I would have been far more satisfied with a smaller, intimate send-off for Goren and Eames. (Bogosian -- I agree -- was cheated out of a meaningful Ross death and death scene.) I knew it wasn't going to happen but that's what I wanted. I imagine I'm not alone. AL P.S. to TG: Besides enjoying your posts in this thread generally, you struck a chord with me about Zach Nichols. There was so much stuff going on and so many strangers milling about that I too felt relieved to see a familiar face when he appeared. If that was the aim for the audience, it was a brilliant manipulation.
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Post by SarahIvy on Mar 31, 2010 11:06:32 GMT -5
Well, it was....Ok. Also enjoyed seeing David Zayas. Yes! His little role as the interim captain was a definite highlight of the episode for me. My favorite bit was definitely Nichol's arrival and the flash drive. Oh, Goren, wanting to bust that computer apart with a screwdriver. Heh. Though of course the downside of this scene is the sloppy writing that had Eames just sitting there when I fully believe her character would have known to just grab and use a flash drive. But piffle, I'll take what I can get these days. Personally I would have been far more satisfied with a smaller, intimate send-off for Goren and Eames. And YES. It's all so distractingly BIG. So much so that I feel like the intricacies of the plot are detracting from the real story...which is the end of Goren and Eames. My one grouse (and it's a somewhat pointless one because I feel like it's been the direction of the character for a good couple of years now) is that judging from the preview for next week it's looks like we're going to get a lot of angry, aggressive, physical Goren. Sigh. I was hoping for an old dash of that super brainy in-control guy who out-witted rather than manhandled.
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Post by alliehalliwell on Mar 31, 2010 11:11:38 GMT -5
So my restraint lasted less than a day. Yup, already reading these spoilers... I am dying to see this episode now. No idea when CTV's airing, they haven't said yet. Hope I don't have to wait for June (for NBC). I was 99% sure though that Ross would be the one to die so no big shock there...
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Post by maherjunkie on Mar 31, 2010 11:47:24 GMT -5
Actually, AL, Walon Green is the one who wrote "All In" and "Alpha Dog," both pretty bad episodes. So if you were upset by the episode's quality, that's really the norm for him. I on the other hand, really liked it. I'm glad you enjoyed "Loyalty Part 1" Angua. However, actually, this script is not the norm for award-winning scenarist and producer Walon Green. He's been a member of the Wolf Pack for more than two decades, and mentor to CI creator Rene Balcer who enthusiastically backed his appointment as CI showrunner. Before (and during) his association with the L&O franchise (including 66 episodes of the mothership), he wrote for "Hill Street Blues" among other vaunted series ("ER," "Millennium" to name just two). Green also produced the ground-breaking documentary "The Secret Life of Plants;" and etched his legacy forever in filmdom as screenwriter for the classic western "The Wild Bunch." He wrote last season's "Ladies Man" which I enjoyed thoroughly. That was Michael Chernuchin, AL. www.imdb.com/title/tt1241300/fullcredits#writersMy thoughts as posted elsewhere.. So this was not as bad as I thought it would be, it being a Walon Green episode, but it was just a setup ep. It was engaging but bloodless, distant. I felt like Vincent was walking through it. It was good to see him wear a suit and carry his binder again, and be a little bit crazy in the airport hangar. I hated to see Ross die. I knew it would happen and he is fictional but I kept thinking of his two kids. I liked the guy that replaces him temporarily. I wish I knew the exact position of the other man that was killed, the one who said "this came from their side". I couldn't believe the coldness of the FBI despite their typical attitude. I didn't like the coldness of Eames either, brushing Bobby off and saying "We've got no time for you to beat yourself up" or something like that, though I do think she looked more beautiful than ever.
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Post by lovebug on Mar 31, 2010 12:40:40 GMT -5
Secondary characters were being killed off faster than I could identify them and their part in the plot. To me, it would have made more sense to start with Ross' death and work back to discover who was behind it. Yes! That would have been much better.
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Post by maherjunkie on Mar 31, 2010 12:45:01 GMT -5
It was the Exodus of the Balding Men.
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Post by Patcat on Mar 31, 2010 14:32:09 GMT -5
nd Leslie Hendrix can act!
But when did Ross become Goren and Alex's friend? cat Pat
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Post by aintnocrime on Mar 31, 2010 16:11:06 GMT -5
nd Leslie Hendrix can act! But when did Ross become Goren and Alex's friend? cat Pat That was my first reaction to that statement. However, at such an emotional moment when the mean feds wouldn't let them get to the body, it seemed a natural thing to say. "He was our boss" wouldn't have had the same effect.
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Post by outerbankschick on Mar 31, 2010 20:32:59 GMT -5
Well I guess I'll join the minority that liked the episode. And thanks Aintnocrime for the Bourne reference because I am a huge fan those movies, and of political intrigue/spy flicks in general. I followed the plot with no problem. It was typical cloak-and-dagger with each side having an agenda of their own while pretending to be "with" the other side. And really, all the blowing things up and stuff - y'all were really surprised?? Flash. Lots of flash. Flash gets ratings. That's the TV game. This time, however, I didn't mind it. Action flick junkie here. Rodgers at the crime scene was amazing. The morgue scene with the breast implants was funny and the jar of goo from the belly. Ick! But amusing nonetheless. You have to accept a few things might have actually happened after Family Values - which was supposed to be the G/E season finale for last year but thanks to those dolts at USA it wasn't. It really is not that big of a leap to have Ross called a friend. There is a camaraderie among people who do jobs like theirs and even after strained ties there is a mutual respect. I'm really surprised no one mentioned the scene between Ross and Bobby in Ross's office. Played beautifully by both men. Ross heard Bobby's unspoken question and gave an unspoken answer. Bobby accepted that silent answer - then later regretted it. He now wishes he had pushed. Such is Bobby - scapegoated from childhood. Take it from a former scapegoat, once you've been there for a few years, it's a damn hard habit to break. You blame yourself for everything because you are used to being blamed. It'll never be enough. I wanted eight episodes of Bobby and Alex, not two. But so far, I have not been disappointed. And the line that made me cry - "We only take orders from our boss! You're not our boss! Our boss is over there!" As to Bobby off the reservation...come on. Do we really expect any different? Any less? Because the man has never been on the reservation to begin with. He was just better at walking the line before.
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Post by outerbankschick on Mar 31, 2010 20:35:52 GMT -5
To AL: My preference was that Ross would get into his car, turn the key and BOOM! That would have fit just right.
But the shooting wasn't a bad fit either. It just came so soon. I thought he'd be in the episode longer. EB deserved more than that.
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Post by outerbankschick on Mar 31, 2010 20:38:16 GMT -5
Oh but MJ - I liked that little bit of snark. She gets tough with him when she has to...and in that moment he needed to focus. She said, "We don't have time for you to torture yourself." She gets him...
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