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Post by quietfireca on Mar 31, 2010 22:35:06 GMT -5
I guess you know what I'm going to say....or maybe not.
My complaint: It was short. 40 minutes - they're usually 42-44. And Goren and Eames are normally in a *very* high percentage of the scenes, but not last night.
What I loved:
Homage to the 8 years - the almost-eye roll from Eames, the Goren lean (while sitting down!), Goren in the morgue looking around for a probe or something! to poke a body, the suits and ties, Eames turning to anger when traumatized, the Goren/Eames exchanged looks - especially interviewing the plastic surgeon. That's all I can think of at the moment.
The contrast to the last 8 years - the touching (CI is a no-touch zone): Eames/Rodgers, Goren!/Rodgers, Goren (my God a back rub? Pick me up off the floor!)/Eames, Goren (hug)/Eames, the huge open display of grief from Eames (at the expense of focussing on Goren's face, which is the norm) when they are beside Ross's body, the explicit murder of a prominent character.
Hot damn! This was all good!!
I was shocked that we got to watch Ross shot. I was shocked to see him in the body bag. I expected that to all happen off screen.
Bravo to Leslie Hendrix. She had me so distressed. She completely blindsided me. She started that scene at Ross's crime scene and it was beautifully played by all of them. Wow. Compelling.
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Post by DonnaJo on Apr 1, 2010 6:17:43 GMT -5
It was just OK. I'll repeat Techguy, Peter and others who were surprised by the missile display on Staten Island. Of course someone saw the explosion. And since the city is always on the alert, it would have been reported. So silly and unnecessary to the story. So many other ways to show us the transformation of the character from gentle to ruthless. What I especially dislike is the manipulation of my affection for the Goren character. The deliberate "now I'll give them the lean" by VDO bugs. And for the love of God, why do they have to write Goren as a "maniac" in the conclusion? Along with the horrible Chief Of Detectives back to do the dirty work. What I did like? The return of the time/location cards. Goren professionally dressed. Ross dies a hero (and yes...Goren's probe led to his death, but only in part). ME Rodgers breakdown at the crime scene, the hug...along with Eames pulling herself together. On that note, Erbe still delivered a fine acting job. I have to agree with whoever said that VDO was walking through the scenes. I didn't feel as if he was into it, either. I think he was honestly trying, but he had already left the show mentally by the time of the shooting. His mind seemed miles away at times, maybe thinking about his upcoming gigs as George Geronimo Gerkie. Annabelle, I did love your reference to VDO's "GE Toaster" comment. Hee. ;D
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Post by outerbankschick on Apr 1, 2010 6:27:57 GMT -5
Geez...really??? Never mind.
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Post by outerbankschick on Apr 1, 2010 6:29:57 GMT -5
I'm with you QFC. Hot damn!
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Post by angua on Apr 1, 2010 6:54:10 GMT -5
It was just OK. I'll repeat Techguy, Peter and others who were surprised by the missile display on Staten Island. Of course someone saw the explosion. And since the city is always on the alert, it would have been reported. So silly and unnecessary to the story. So many other ways to show us the transformation of the character from gentle to ruthless. What I especially dislike is the manipulation of my affection for the Goren character. The deliberate "now I'll give them the lean" by VDO bugs. And for the love of God, why do they have to write Goren as a "maniac" in the conclusion? Along with the horrible Chief Of Detectives back to do the dirty work. What I did like? The return of the time/location cards. Goren professionally dressed. Ross dies a hero (and yes...Goren's probe led to his death, but only in part). ME Rodgers breakdown at the crime scene, the hug...along with Eames pulling herself together. On that note, Erbe still delivered a fine acting job. I have to agree with whoever said that VDO was walking through the scenes. I didn't feel as if he was into it, either. I think he was honestly trying, but he had already left the show mentally by the time of the shooting. His mind seemed miles away at times, maybe thinking about his upcoming gigs as George Geronimo Gerkie. Annabelle, I did love your reference to VDO's "GE Toaster" comment. Hee. ;D YOU DIDN'T LIKE THE LEAN? WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?
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Post by DonnaJo on Apr 1, 2010 7:56:58 GMT -5
Geez...really??? Never mind. Please explain. I'd really like to know. And there is nothing "wrong" with me, angua. I explained why the lean bugged me. Back in the day, Goren leaned to both get the attention of the perp and to intimidate. IMO, that did neither. It was plopped there to appease the fans. That's my opinion, which I'm entitled to without being told I have a problem.
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Post by missjanet on Apr 1, 2010 9:01:47 GMT -5
ME Rodgers ruled the show - and that with 2 very short scenes. Leslie Hendrix rocks.
Enough said!
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Post by Patcat on Apr 1, 2010 10:09:08 GMT -5
I'd love to know about the "GE Toaster" remark.
More thoughts:
Look, there's no way a two part episode could satisfy most Goren and Eames fans. I think many of us are still very upset that they're leaving, and that the actors are being treated so shabbily. Some others have suggested a more laid back episode, one dealing with a more mundane case, would have worked better, and I have to agree. This international bang-bang conspiracy with stupid arms dealers and stupid FBI people is not working for me.
But the characters and the actors are carrying this for me. Leslie Hendix does indeed rock. Kathryn Erbe is, as always, wonderful. I don't see Mr. D'Onofrio as sleepwalking, or out of control. I think he's playing Goren as shellshocked and angry and guilty and trying to deal with all of it. I liked the way he played Goren trying to comfort and help both Rodgers and Eames.
The "Friends" comment--After thinking about this for a bit, it occurred to me that Eames always got along better with Ross. Perhaps she was much closer to him. Ross seemed to get along better with everyone than he did with Goren. They got off to such a bad start, and I believe Goren challenged Ross and the captain's assumptions in ways that made Ross a better person and cop, but not in ways that were comfortable for Ross. Their relationship got better, but never quite reached a level of high trust. And that contributed to Ross' death. Not that Bobby was responsible for it, but that Ross didn't feel he could tell Bobby what was going on and Bobby didn't feel that he could ask.
I know that we're not going to get all the mysteries raised by the Warren Leight time period answered--Donnie, Bobby dealing with Tates and Brady, Alex's recovery from her ordeal--but it still, well, perhaps "pertubes" is the right word. But then, we can always write our own endings in fanfiction(g).
Patcat
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Post by SarahIvy on Apr 1, 2010 10:48:19 GMT -5
What I especially dislike is the manipulation of my affection for the Goren character. The deliberate "now I'll give them the lean" by VDO bugs. DonnaJo, I had the same reaction. I *almost* smiled, but it was ruined by a feeling I was being blatantly manipulated. Ugh.
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Post by angua on Apr 1, 2010 11:23:18 GMT -5
What I especially dislike is the manipulation of my affection for the Goren character. The deliberate "now I'll give them the lean" by VDO bugs. DonnaJo, I had the same reaction. I *almost* smiled, but it was ruined by a feeling I was being blatantly manipulated. Ugh. I'm trying to respect your opinions on this. It's difficult. This is the last time you will ever see his lean. I'm very sorry if you feel manipulated--a sentiment I dont' understand in this context--but I saw it as a gift from VDO to his fans. I hope he doesn't read these boards.
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Post by maherjunkie on Apr 1, 2010 11:35:33 GMT -5
Yes, OBC, but she could have phrased it differently instead of being her occasional ice cube self.
Angua, I doubt he does or cares.
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Post by angua on Apr 1, 2010 11:46:47 GMT -5
Angua, I doubt he does or cares. If he doesn't care, why did he do it? He must know we love the lean. I'm starting to wish the show had just been cancelled after season 8.
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Post by maherjunkie on Apr 1, 2010 11:54:07 GMT -5
I doubt he follows these boards.
I may agree with you re: season 8.
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Post by jethro on Apr 1, 2010 14:02:14 GMT -5
We can all hear you just fine without you yelling at us.
(And I'm sure there is nothing wrong with DonnaJo having her own opinion on the matter)
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Post by tjara on Apr 1, 2010 14:48:51 GMT -5
No, it didn't. They were following Ross and photographed him BEFORE Goren went to the hangar. And they handed Ross the shot of him and the FBI agent. THAT's what blew his cover, not Goren. We're only supposed to think that now, and Goren's supposed to think that, because he blames himself for Ross' death. PatcatI think the toaster remark refers to VDO saying (last weekend, as a matter of fact), that he won't do television again, because he's just not interested in all the pressure and obligation that comes along with it. (paraphrased) You just made my day, OBC. Huge laugh when I needed it.
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