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Post by Patcat on Feb 13, 2007 13:28:10 GMT -5
Well, I suspect Goren was punished for and apologized for his actions offscreen.
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Post by okaadaak on Feb 13, 2007 15:54:14 GMT -5
Thanks to the internet I'm able to watch a few episodes of season 6 (The War at Home, Weeping Willow + Country crossover) and am now about to watch 'Albatross'. Can't tell you how courious I am, now that I've read this episode's discussion! Here in Germany it's alomost 10 pm and and I'm dead tired but another episode of CI keeps me awake! Let's see how I like it!
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Post by LOCIfan on Feb 14, 2007 15:39:40 GMT -5
Weighing in late on this one, since I only watched my tape yesterday. I thought it was an episode that had a lot of potential, but fell short.
I kept wondering why all the man-on-the-street interviews and clips of Faith Yancy when that time could've been better spent rounding out the Davo character. His motivation for murdering two people was that he felt bad for his boss and it reminded him of his mommy? That just strained credulity, since we never really got to know that character at all. And then, as others have noted, he just kind of spills his guts. Then the same thing happens with the politician. She just blurts stuff out when Goren and Eames arrive at her home. Why?
Where's that patented dance between criminal and detective? And why replace that with repetitive documentary style commentary from random individuals? There just didn't seem to be enough story to sustain this hour of Criminal Intent, either as a who-dunnit or a why-dunnit. And that's a fault of the writing.
The story itself is fascinating and does touch on a cultural phenomenon of powerful, public women whose lives as private individuals are mired in victimhood. I kept thinking that in the hands of a different writer, this could've been a great episode.
The writer here was Marsha Norman. The only non-CI thing I know of hers is the play/movie 'Night Mother, which is about twenty or twenty-five years old, but which is a fascinating character study, though also very light on plot.
I can't help wondering if all the documentary-style footage was added later and, if so, what was removed. And did that have anything to do with why this episode didn't come before Privilege as it was supposed to?
The other thing I see in this episode that continued in "Flipped" is that there is no unraveling of the criminal by Goren/Logan in an aria that brings the criminal's intent to life by revealing the craven, pathetic, egomaniacal, or misguided impulses of the criminals. We got none of that here with Davo or the politician, and we didn't get it with Carmen in "Flipped" either. I really hope that's not a trend that continues, because the end result is that it takes the edge off the show. Makes it just another crime drama where the case du jour is little more thanan excuse for cute quips or abstruse barroom conversation between partners.
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Post by Sirenna on Feb 15, 2007 8:16:10 GMT -5
Where's that patented dance between criminal and detective? The story itself is fascinating and does touch on a cultural phenomenon of powerful, public women whose lives as private individuals are mired in victimhood. Yes, I do generally agree with what you've so succinctly said, Locifan. I thought the aria was there but in a different style. I don't mind at all if Goren is not always in the final scene. The unravelling could still be interesting if Eames or even a supporting character was the catalyst. This was where I thought they were going with this one. I found the final scene poignant but, no, not as absorbing as it perhaps could have been. It seemed less to flesh out motive through engaging the characters and more to bring the points of the plot together and the result of that was to give us a motive. In other words I watched the story unfurl over me instead of absorbing the story or characters, anticipating things and working any of it out as I watched. I've always liked that - the work the show's made me do as a viewer. The aria was different this time. I saw it more as an experiment than a polished scene and I wouldn't mind at all if they continued to try to find ways to develope or explore the aria scene.
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Post by DonnaJo on Feb 15, 2007 9:30:51 GMT -5
I beg to differ. Why mess with success, Sirenna? Now is not the time, IMO, to "experiment" with what is the definitive trademark of CI, Goren's aria. It is what has intrigued & attracted most of us to this show & to Goren, the cop & the man.
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Post by Sirenna on Feb 15, 2007 10:09:39 GMT -5
donnajo: Differ away!
You're right. the aria is the most compelling part of the show and a literal trademark of the show. I believe there was an interview where Rene, I think, talked about it's origins. I don't know though if he envisioned it as "Goren Aria" or just an aria with certain, definable elements to be expected in each one. I don't know if Goren absolutely has to be in each one although I do think the best ones have always included him. I like innovation especially in writing even bad innovation has always been preferable to me than no innovation. It's why I can't stand even a hint of plagerism. I'd be open to some in the aria.
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Post by LOCIfan on Feb 15, 2007 11:29:14 GMT -5
You mean the depth psychology LOCIfan? yes,that was missing. Yes, that's exactly what I meant. I am wondering if Leight feels the real Albatross is the programme format that hangs around his neck!And here we see it hanging! This is a very astute observation, janethyland. I agree.
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Post by NicoleMarie on Feb 15, 2007 22:23:06 GMT -5
About the part in siren call, she asked him if he was okay and he was cold to her, but no one cares. I don't think he was cold to her there, I think the situation was different. Goren just tried to keep that man from killing Goren and himself but the man killed himself anyway. Goren seemed more distraught to me than cold. Hey Holly, check your PM's!
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Post by hannah on Feb 15, 2007 22:53:04 GMT -5
Possibly, most likely yes, but I still feel that they are okay now and there isn't anymore tension. Next episode we'll test that knowledge! And if I'm wrong I owe you a cyber danish (I checked my spelling this time. I need to become less lazy)
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Post by NicoleMarie on Feb 15, 2007 23:09:26 GMT -5
Ha ha! I hope you're right! Ok, if I'm wrong, I'll owe you a cyber cake! Your choice flavor!
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Post by sarahlee on Feb 16, 2007 12:38:33 GMT -5
Well, I waited to see this one again last night to confirm my perception, and I'm going to disagree with the majourity opinion about the Happy Hour scene...I still think that whole exchange was about G&E's conflict over the Senatour. I do agree Goren is treating Eames with more care this season, (he "took her for granted" in past years), but with Eames' kidnapping, his mother's impending death, and the stepfather/cop's suicide, Goren has had a full-frontal brush with mortality. He's not careless with any of his few relationships anymore.
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Post by okaadaak on Feb 16, 2007 15:49:00 GMT -5
Mh, now that I've seen 'Albatross', I really don't know what to say about it. (But maybe that's only because 'Karneval' here in Germany keeps me busy with other things) I liked it - even the opening scene. Who in hell would think about restaging a famous duell? It all was so unrealistic to me that I couldn't wonder about anything. And who's wondering about politicians anymore? They'd stay married to the devil himself if they thought it was good for their career. Maybe she was good in office, maybe she wasn't - does it really matter? She doesn't leave him because it would besmirch her reputation, when it fact it was the husband who did this. Being a widow just seemed more proper to her than being divorced. So Goren should better be careful :-) One more outburst and Eames will shoot him 'by accident'. Just kidding! The relationship between those two is almost like a marriage by now - they can't live without the other and somehow they can't live with each other. They're the only steady person in each other's life. I'm very curious now about the other episodes I'm downloading.
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Post by untitled on Feb 19, 2007 0:28:42 GMT -5
The relationship between those two is almost like a marriage by now - they can't live without the other and somehow they can't live with each other. They're the only steady person in each other's life. I'm very curious now about the other episodes I'm downloading. - That's an interesting observation of the two of them. One i never even thought of, but I can see that.
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Post by Sirenna on Feb 19, 2007 23:35:24 GMT -5
So Donnajo: was I right about my semi-spoiler or was I right? Did Eames get an eyeful of something or not? btw what were YOU expect to get an eyeful of? hmm?
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Post by DonnaJo on Feb 20, 2007 9:11:50 GMT -5
You were right, Sirenna. ;D She sure did and she didn't seem all that pleased about it. Even though I knew it was nearly impossible, you know who I was hoping to see. The way the writing's been going, it could happen. I was wondering the same thing, Janet. Will try to skim the closing credits to check. If it's not his son, then it's great casting.
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